عائلة الفوركس

فيس بوك.
الفوركس الأسرة.
كالرجال العاديين، الأسواق تفتح قريبا وأريد فقط أن أذكركم بأن 5٪ فقط من التجار مربحة في الواقع. لذلك لا تستسلم إذا كنت تلبية مع بعض العقبات في التداول ولكن أيضا في الحياة !! ✅ نحن نحاول جعل لكم الربح قدر الإمكان حتى تبادل الحب الناس !! ❤️ 👍🏻 💸 🎊 🔥 والحصول على استعداد لهذا الأسبوع & # 039؛ s المكالمات 💰 😎
الفوركس الأسرة.
بعد العديد من طلبات غرفة الدردشة من الكثير منكم يا رفاق، افتتحنا رسميا غرفة الدردشة لعائلة الفوركس لتكون قادرة على توحيد الجميع في عائلة واحدة كبيرة حيث يمكن للجميع تبادل أفكارهم والمخاوف والمشورة. تأتي على الرجال الانضمام إلى المجموعة والسماح للمجتمع لدينا تنمو 😁 😎 👍🏻 ✅ 🎉 ...
الانضمام إلى دردشة المجموعة على برقية.
الفوركس الأسرة.
ما هي طريقة لطيفة لبدء الأسبوع مع 60 نقطة في الربح مع التجارة الأولى 🔥 🔥 🔥 💰 💰 📈 📈 تاريخ للقبض على واحد المقبل 👍 💪 # الفوركس # فوركسترادينغ # فوركسسيغنالس # فاليفوريكس # الأرباح # إشارات.
الفوركس الأسرة.
أولئك الذين حافظوا على آخر صفقة (شراء الذهب) خلال عطلة نهاية الأسبوع سوف 'جعلت 100 بيبس في الربح الذي هو استراتيجية غير آمنة 📚 📉 🤔 💰 🔥 🔥 🔥 إعداد أنفسكم لأن هذا الأسبوع ستعمل مضاءة 🔥 🔥 🔥 سوف نهدف لملء جيوب الخاصة بك مع النقد كالمعتاد حتى تظهر بعض الحب وتذهب مثل / مشاركة صفحة الفيسبوك لدينا ودعوة ...
فوركس فاميلي добавил (-а) 5 новых фото.
ما هو بعض اللاعبين هنا بعض الأمثلة من الصفقات التي أخذناها اليوم والأسبوع الماضي 🔥 🔥 🔥 تأكد من الانضمام إلى قناتنا على برقية لعدم تفويت المكالمات المستقبلية 💰 💰 💰

صور من قبل فوريكسفامز.
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يوم في حياة تاجر الفوركس المهنية.
الوضع المهني كمتداول الفوركس يستغرق سنوات من الالتزام، مدعومة باستراتيجيات محددة بوضوح تظهر ربحية متسقة. ولكن المكافآت تستحق الجهد الكبير، مع ارتفاع الدخل ونمط الحياة أن معظم الناس يمكن أن يحلم فقط. الفرص تكثر لهؤلاء اللاعبين بدوام كامل، الذين يمكن أن تختار للعمل للبنوك الدولية، وصناديق التحوط أو مجرد وضع على منامة بهم والتجارة خارج المنزل منزل المكتب. (انظر ذات الصلة: كيف تصبح ناجحا الفوركس التاجر).
دعونا ننظر في يوم نموذجي في حياة تاجر الفوركس المهنية الذي يدير الحسابات الخاصة التي قد تشمل صناديق الأسرة وحصة من أموال الآخرين. ويحدد هؤلاء المفارضون الهدف السامي لملايين اللاعبين في المنزل الذين يرغبون في كسب عيشهم من خلال تداول العملات، ولكن من دون قيود مساحة عمل فوريكس أكثر تقليدية مثل مكتب دولي.
بالإضافة إلى تحديد الأهداف، وهذا الرأي فوق الكتف بمثابة الاختيار واقعي، مما يسمح للتجار الفوركس في المنزل لفحص التقدم الحالي في خلق وظائف أحلامهم ضمن التدفق العالمي لتبادل العملات. وهو يركز على ثلاثة مجالات اهتمام:
سير العمل التي يمكن للمتداولين استخدامها للتحضير الصباحي وفحص نهاية اليوم. المواقف والاستراتيجيات خلال يوم التداول التي يمكن أن تؤثر على الأداء. الجانب الشخصي، بما في ذلك خيارات نمط الحياة التي تساعد أو تقوض الربحية.
تحديد ساعات السوق.
يتخصص تاجر الفوركس المحترف نظرا لتعقيد سوق العملات الهائل. هذا أمر حيوي وكذلك لوجستي حتمي لأن الفوركس يتداول على مدار 24 ساعة يوميا، من مساء الأحد إلى بعد ظهر الجمعة في المناطق الزمنية في الولايات المتحدة. هذا العمل على مدار الساعة يجعل من المستحيل مشاهدة باستمرار في الوقت الحقيقي، وتشجيع التركيز تشبه الحلاقة على أطر زمنية محددة وأزواج الفوركس.
يبدأ معظم المهنيين في الولايات المتحدة مع ور / أوسد و أوسد / جبي، إضافة أزواج أخرى التي تتلاءم مع الأطر الزمنية التي تمليها هذه الصكوك الشعبية. هذا غالبا ما يشمل اليورو والين الصلبان الأخرى وكذلك الدولار الأسترالي والكندي الصلبان. يختارون بحكمة، في كثير من الأحيان مبادلة أزواج مراقبة عن كثب مع مرور الوقت، فهم أن تتبع الكثير من الأسواق سوف يضعف موثوقية استراتيجياتها.
يرتفع سعر اليورو في الفترة ما بين الساعة 1 صباحا و 3 صباحا على الساحل الشرقي للولايات المتحدة، مما يشجع الايجابيات المحلية على الاستيقاظ قبل وقت مبكر من تجار الأسهم أو العقود الآجلة. هذا التوقيت يأخذ الكثير من هؤلاء الناس خارج اللعبة بعد ساعة الغداء في نيويورك، مما أدى إلى انخفاض ملحوظ في حجم النقد الأجنبي والتقلبات خلال فترة ما بعد الظهر الأمريكية. هذا النمط من الحياة يعمل تماما بالتزامن مع توقيت التقارير الاقتصادية الرئيسية في أوروبا والولايات المتحدة لكنه فشل في التقاط التطورات الآسيوية، والتي يمكن أن تتحرك أسواق العملات العالمية لعدة أشهر في وقت واحد.
وهذا يترك اثنين من الخيارات التخصص الأخرى:
تطابق ساعات السوق مع التجار الأمريكيين الآخرين، ومواءمة الأنشطة مع أسواق الأسهم في نيويورك، وتبادل العقود الآجلة في شيكاغو. ثني دورات النوم أكثر، الصحوة للدورة الآسيوية واستكمال أيام السوق في وقت مبكر بعد شروق الشمس في الولايات المتحدة.
في جميع التخصصات، يركز المهنيون جهودهم على أزواج العملات التي توفر أكبر قدر ممكن من الأرباح لاستراتيجياتهم. هذا يتغير حتما مع مرور الوقت، مما اضطرهم إلى ضبط السوق وساعات النوم لإدارة الربحية.
يوم التداول.
يتم تشغيل شاشات التداول قريبا بعد الاستيقاظ لأن أسواق العملات مفتوحة والأسعار مدفوعة أعلى أو أقل خلال ساعات النوم. ومع ذلك، فإن مستويات الإجهاد منخفضة لأن وسطاء موثوق بها جيدا يحتفظون برأس مالهم في حين توقفت بعناية مواقف تحرس ضد القيم المتطرفة، مثل انخفاض قيمة اليوان في الصين في أغسطس 2018. وبالإضافة إلى ذلك، فإنها دائما استعراض التعرض في نهاية يوم السوق، إلى ضمان أن الخسائر التي اتخذت خلال دورة النوم تقع ضمن حدود تحمل المخاطر.
ويحظى اختصاصيو الفوركس باهتمام عميق بسياسات البنك الاقتصادي والمركزي في جميع أنحاء العالم، فهم كيف يؤثر بنك الاحتياطي الفدرالي (فومك) والبنك المركزي الأوروبي (إكب) وبنك اليابان (بوب) وبنك الشعب الصيني (بوك) على العملات. ويحتفظون بتقويم مفصل للأنباء الاقتصادية واجتماعات البنك المركزي التي من شأنها أن تؤثر على استراتيجياتهم، وغالبا ما تتخلى عن النوم عندما يتم تعيين اجتماع رئيسي خارج ساعات المشاهدة العادية للسوق.
يبحثون أحدث الإصدارات الاقتصادية في حين وجود أول فنجان من القهوة، وتعديل توقف والخروج من المراكز إذا لزم الأمر. الإطار الزمني الآن يأتي في اللعب لأن العديد من المهنيين عقد نواة كبيرة من المواقف أصغر حجما لفترات عقد أطول. هذا يسمح لهم للحفاظ على توقف فضفاضة وبعيدا عن خوارزميات المفترسة، التي تهيمن على الأسواق الحديثة. ويتوقع هؤلاء التجار الروبوتات كفاءة المناطق السعرية حيث تتجمع محطات البيع بالتجزئة وتضرب تلك المستويات خلال ساعات التداول الأقل نشاطا أو استجابة للإصدارات الاقتصادية.
يعتمد نشاط السوق اليومي على الاستراتيجيات الحالية. قد تكون الإيجابيات التي تدير نواة من المواقف الأطول أجلا غير نشطة بشكل مفاجئ في جلسة نموذجية، في انتظار المناطق الرئيسية للأسعار. انها قصة مختلفة لاستراتيجيات التداول اليوم التي تتطلب مشاركة سريعة وغاضبة. وعلى الرغم من ذلك، فإن هذه المواقف تتجمع حول ساعات الإصدارات الاقتصادية الرئيسية والمصرفية المركزية، مع تحديد ميزان الجلسة إلى المراقبة بدلا من وضع الإجراءات. (انظر ذات الصلة: توقع مقابل تأكيد لمتداول الفوركس اليوم.)
المهنيين اختيار أوقات محددة لإنهاء أيام السوق بدلا من السماح الظروف والعمل السعر جعل تلك القرارات. بيئة على مدار 24 ساعة تتغير باستمرار وليس هناك وقت جيد للمشي بعيدا، ولكن البشر تتطلب أنشطة أخرى للحفاظ على التوازن. تقدم ساعة الغداء في نيويورك الخيار الأكثر شعبية بالنسبة للمهنيين المحليين لأنه يمثل أيضا إغلاق التداول في البورصات الأوروبية.
ينتهي يوم التداول باستعراض الأداء والجلسة، مع ملاحظة الخصائص التي قد تؤثر على الاستراتيجيات والنتائج المستقبلية. كما تحيط الإيجابيات علما بالإصدارات الاقتصادية المقرر إجراؤها في ساعات عملهم، مع تعديل نقاط التوقف لمراعاة المخاطر الأكبر. وأخيرا، فإنها تأخذ نظرة أخيرة على أزواج الفوركس التي لم يراقب عن كثب في ذلك اليوم، والتحقق من فرص التداول التي قد غاب عنها.
خيارات نمط الحياة.
يمكن أن يكون طحن الفوركس على مدار 24 ساعة شاقا وهناك حاجة إلى خيارات نمط الحياة السليم لبناء الانضباط والتركيز، وبالتالي تحسين خط النهاية. ونتيجة لذلك، فإن الفوركس الموالية يأخذ الكثير من الوقت في العمل على قضايا الاسترخاء والصحة الشخصية كما يراقب الأسواق العالمية. هؤلاء الناس يعرفون أيضا كيفية الحصول على المتعة، مع الوقت المنتظم للحصول على بعيدا عن شاشات التداول الخاصة بهم والتخلص مع الأصدقاء والعائلة.
العديد من الايجابيات اتخاذ تكييف البدني والعقلي أكثر من ذلك، والإقلاع عن التدخين، والحد من استخدام الكحول والحفاظ على اتباع نظام غذائي صحي يحافظ على الوزن تحت السيطرة والعقل في حالة تأهب. وهم يدركون أيضا أن المشاكل المتعلقة بالعلاقات بين الأشخاص يمكن أن تترجم على الفور إلى حالات قصور في الأداء، لذلك يتم اتخاذ الوقت الكافي للتعامل مع الأزواج والآباء والأطفال.
الخط السفلي.
ويصبح تجار الفوركس المحترفين من طلاب السياسة الاقتصادية والمركزية في جميع أنحاء العالم، فهم أن اتجاهات العملة يمكن أن تتحول إلى سنت واحد عندما تحول البنوك المركزية الاتجاه، كما لديها عدة مرات منذ الانهيار الاقتصادي عام 2008. انهم يعيشون نمط حياة ثراء ولكن دفع الثمن مع ساعات طويلة من البحث والسوق مشاهدة. الحرمان من النوم أمر شائع لهؤلاء الأفراد حتى يبنون الثقة المطلوبة للسماح لاستراتيجياتهم التجارية وإدارة المخاطر بالعمل دون مراقبة مستمرة.

عائلة الفوركس
رأيت لأول مرة كريس على إينستاجرام وكان الدافع من اعتقاده والقدرة على إثبات يمكنك تحقيق أي شيء تريده في الحياة إذا كنت تعمل بجد بما فيه الكفاية في ذلك. رؤية كما أعيش بشعار مماثل أنا مفتون من حياته المهنية وما حققه. كنت قد شاركت في سوق الأسهم ولكن لم تشارك في سوق الفوركس من قبل. كنت مترددا للغاية في البداية للتسجيل وأخذ قفزة الإيمان مع البرنامج، حتى حاولت تبحث على الانترنت للعثور على أي مراجعات (عموما تبحث عن سيئة منها حتى كان لدي عذر عدم الانضمام) ولكن لم أجد شيئا! أن نكون صادقين، كنت أعرف القليل جدا عن سوق الفوركس ولكن اسمحوا لي أن أقول لكم، والانضمام إلى هذا البرنامج هو واحد أفضل الأشياء التي سوف تفعل أي وقت مضى في حياتك. لا تحصل لي خطأ، لا نتوقع للانضمام والحصول على جميع الإجابات تعطى لك لتصبح ناجحة على الفور في سوق الفوركس، تحتاج إلى وضع العمل في. في قول ذلك، كل ما تحتاجه للتعلم والدراسة في هذا بالطبع. لقد اشتركت قبل حوالي 2 أو 3 أشهر وأنشئت مؤخرا حسابي المباشر.
دردشات المجموعة هي دائما الطنين مع الناس يتحدثون، ويسأل والإجابة على الأسئلة ومناقشة التحليل العام. المال هو مجرد يستحق دردشات المجموعة على وجود الخاصة.
كريس هو مجرد شيء آخر، دوافع للغاية وملهم الرجل الذي يريد كل واحد منا لتحقيق أفضل ما لدينا، ويوفر لنا الأدوات اللازمة للقيام بذلك!
بعد انضمامه إلى فوريكس "الموجهين" في الماضي، وأنا لم يفهم حقا أي مادة أنها عرضت كما كان متفرقة وغير منظمة. كل ما عرضت حقا كان خدمة إشارة، دون أن تأخذ في الواقع الوقت لتعلمك جوانب كونه التاجر. منذ الانضمام إلى تعلم وكسب مع كريس، أشعر أنني في طريقي إلى العظمة.
لقد وجدت في البداية كريس على إينستاجرام، كما تم سحبه إلى نهجه تحفيزية ومتواضعة في الحياة. مع نفسي يجري ضخمة على التنمية الشخصية والتحسين المستمر، شعرت وكأنني حقا متصلة كريس حتى مع مجرد قراءة مناصبه. ثم اكتشفت أنه يوجه طلابه في الفوركس، التي اكتسبت على الفور اهتمامي. بعد فرز بلدي الوضع الشخصي، قررت أن تأخذ قفزة والانضمام له الإرشاد! كان أفضل قرار قمت به في حين. محتوى وتنظيم المواد كريس على موقعه على الانترنت هو رائع. إن العمل الشاق والساعات التي قام بها لمساعدة الآخرين واضح وبخلاف أي معلم آخر جئت إليه.
بعد انضمامه إلى عائلة الفوركس، أدركت كم المعلومات التي لم أعرفها مسبقا. انها مدهشة حقا ما معلمه كبيرة يمكن أن تفعل لك، وليس فقط مع تعلم معلومات جديدة ولكن أيضا حفظ لكم دوافع وإضاءة النار تحت مؤخرتك! انه يسلم لك المعرفة في طبق من الفضة ولكن حقا متروك لكم لوضع في الجهد والعثور على طريقتك الخاصة لاستخدام تلك المعلومات.
سعيد أن يكون بعيدا عن الأسرة!
جئت عبر الملف الشخصي كريس على إينستاجرام بعد رؤية العديد من المشاركات له وطلابه مما يجعل الأرباح في سوق الفوركس يوما بعد يوم، ويتساءل ماذا كان هذا كل شيء؟ أن نكون صادقين كنت متشككا للغاية لذلك قررت أن تفعل بلدي العناية الواجبة.
بعد المراسلات المطولة مع كريس، حتى مع أخذ الوقت للحديث على الهاتف والذهاب إلى أبعد الحدود للرد على جميع أسئلتي، ما زلت لم الاشتراك لأنه يبدو وكأنه الكثير من المال، كما يعتقد ما هي المعلومات يمكن أن يعرف كريس أن لم أكن قد تعلمت بالفعل في أكوام من الكتب، والآلاف من صفحات الويب وسنوات في المدرسة؟
بعد بعض الصفقات أكثر محبطة وخدش رأسي لأكثر من 20 عاما من التداول اعترفت لنفسي. أنا في عداد المفقودين شيء قد لا يعرف هذا من تلقاء نفسي. تذكرت كريس قائلا "ماذا يجب أن تخسر؟ ربما كنت قد فقدت أكثر على تجارة واحدة" وكان على حق، لم يكن قيمة التعليم بقيمة أكثر من مجرد خسارة التجارة؟ أخذت يغرق وتوقيع دون أي تردد أكثر.
المعلومات الواردة في تعلم وكسب مع برنامج كريس كانت بعض القطع المفقودة من اللغز كنت أبحث عنه. لقد كان تغيير اللعبة بالنسبة لي! لقد أدخلت تحسينات كبيرة في تحديد فرص أفضل الصفقات، وإدخالات الصحيحة والمخارج والأهم من ذلك، عندما لا للتجارة وأيضا إدارة المخاطر المناسبة، التي كانت دائما بلدي عدو!
كريس يذهب باستمرار من طريقه على أساس يومي لتحفيز وتثقيف ودفع باستمرار الفريق إلى مستويات أعلى من نجاح التداول! أريد أن أعرب عن امتناني لكريس وفريقه للترحيب لي ليس فقط تعلم وكسب مع فريق كريس، ولكن أيضا الأسرة!
مع أطيب التحيات، ديفيد بيلسكي.
ديفيد بلسكي، واترلو أونتاريو.
أنا سيمون من تورونتو. في عام 1990، بدأت الاستثمار في سوق الأسهم. في محاولة لتثقيف نفسي، قرأت العديد من الكتب حول هذا الموضوع، وكذلك شاهدت الكثير من الندوات على الانترنت. على الرغم من كل ما تبذله من جهود في أن تصبح مستثمرا أفضل، وجدت أنه في أحسن الأحوال، كل ما يمكنني إدارة ضرب وضيع! في عام 2018، بعد أن كنت عائلة صغيرة، قررت أنني لم تعد قادرة على تحمل المخاطر التي أخذتها عندما كنت واحدة، لذلك أنا بعد الاستماع في واحدة من خطوط الدردشة كريس، قررت أن تعلم تداول العملات الأجنبية. بفضل أساليب التدريب كريس، أشعر بالراحة قراءة المخططات، وذلك باستخدام المتوسطات المتحركة والمستويات. المعرفة قوة. أريد أن أواصل البناء على الأساس المتين الذي حققته بالفعل من خلال اتباع "تعلم & أمب؛ كسب مع كريس "عبر صفحته الفيسبوك وكذلك بلوق له. قبل جئت عبر "تعلم & أمبير؛ كسب مع كريس "لقد حاولت كل شيء: اشترك في النشرات الإخبارية المالية، وحضور الندوات المستثمر، وما إلى ذلك ساعدني حقا لي المزيد من مهاراتي كمستثمر، حتى جئت عبر بلوق كريس. معه، لقد تعلمت أكثر في الأشهر الستة الماضية مما كان عليه في كل 20 عاما من التداول في سوق الأسهم. منذ بدء في نوفمبر 2018، وقد محفظة بلدي بنسبة 100٪. وكان هدفي السنوي 150،000 دولار أمريكي، ولكن أنا في الواقع جعلت 220،000 دولار أمريكي في الشهر الأول (يناير) تداول العملات الأجنبية. الأهم من ذلك، كريس يوفر لك مع التعليم المالي واسعة النطاق. في رأيي، انه واحد من أفضل التجار هناك. رؤيته دائما 100٪ الصحيح. لا تراهن ضده، أنت محكوم عليه بالفشل. شكرا لك كريس لنقل المعرفة الخاصة بك وتوفير لي حافة في سوق الفوركس لكسب المال ويعطيني فرصة العمر.
برنامج التداول كريس تغيرت حقا وجهات نظري في التداول اليوم، أخلاقيات عمله والتفاني تجاه طلابه لا مثيل لها. منذ لحظة الاشتراك كنت واثقة من أنني اتخذت القرار الصحيح وكان يعمل مع بعض المهنيين الشباب مثل التفكير. إذا كنت تريد دائما للوصول الى التداول ولم أكن أعرف تماما من أين تبدأ هذا هو بالتأكيد بالطبع بالنسبة لك!
أين يمكنني البدء؟ جئت عبر صفحة إينستاجرام الخاص بك قبل 1.5 عاما، وأعتقد لماذا لا ضرب له؟ جاء هذا ليكون واحدا من أفضل القرارات التي قمت بها من أي وقت مضى. ليس فقط انه علمني الكثير عن الفوركس ولكن أيضا عن الحياة. كريس هو الفوركس "المعلم". ندواته واضحة ودوره هو أيضا بانجر. كما أنه يوفر لك الكثير من الأفكار حول الكتب العظيمة لتصبح الشخص أكثر انفتاحا و الشخص الحي الجيد. كريس دائما هناك عندما كنت بحاجة إلى مساعدة، إذا كان الفوركس أم لا. ليس لديه فريق من الفوركس مكون من 76 عضوا ولكن من 76 عضوا. كريس هي واحدة من أكثر صادقة، ركزت، مدفوعة، والاسترخاء الرجال لقد التقيت من أي وقت مضى وأنا سعيد مع ذلك! آسف للنحوي سيئة لأنني من هولندا و 17 عاما فقط.
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أساسيات التداول.
المعلومات والموارد لمعرفة المزيد عن التداول والأسواق.
الفوركس هو عملية احتيال!
الفوركس هو عملية احتيال!
درست ومارست لفترة طويلة وبمجرد أن ذهبت الحية تلك مم تأكد من الذهاب ضد التجارة الخاصة بك-أنها جنبا إلى جنب مع البنوك الكبيرة جعل المال.
أشعر أنهم تحليل صفقة الخاص بك والتأكد من الذهاب ضده.
هذا شيء تلقيته من المتداولين السابقين السابقين فوريكس الآن. إنه ليس أول من أدلي بهذا البيان، وأنا & أمب؛ 8217؛ م متأكد انه فاز & # 8217؛ ر يكون الأخير. أنا & # 8217؛ لقد شاركت في سوق الفوركس كالتاجر و / أو المحلل منذ ما يقرب من 20 عاما. أعتقد أنك يمكن معرفة أين أقف على هذا الموضوع.
صناعة السوق.
الحجة الأساسية الناس الذين يدعون فوريكس عملية احتيال طرحها هو أن حقيقة أن وسطاء الفوركس تأخذ الجانب الآخر من موقفكم في إجراءات صنع السوق. وهكذا يستنتجون أن الوسطاء المذكورين يتداولون ضدك.
أولا وقبل كل شيء، ليس كل وسطاء الفوركس هم صناع السوق. بعضها عبارة عن إنز. أنها ببساطة تمرير أوامرك من خلال إلى السوق مثل وسيط سوق الأسهم لا. وبما أنهم لا يتصرفون كصناع للسوق ولا يتخذون مناصب، فإنهم لا يكسبون الفارق. انهم يجعلون أموالهم من اللجان بدلا من ذلك.
أوه، وبالمناسبة، ليس كل معاملات سوق الأسهم هي تمر مباشرة من خلال تبادل إما. بعض السماسرة بمثابة صناع السوق في بعض الأسهم. إذا قمت بتداول تلك الأسهم من خلالهم يفعلون نفس الشيء بالضبط كما يفعل وسطاء الفوركس غير إن. أنا لا & # 8217؛ ر أعتقد أن أي شخص يدعو من أي وقت مضى أن عملية احتيال (إلا في حالة محلات دلو). وعلاوة على ذلك، فإن الأساس الكامل للسوق بين البنوك & # 8211؛ وجميع أسواق أوتك & # 8211؛ هي المعاملات بين المشترين والبائعين وصانعي السوق. في البنوك ما بين البنوك فوريكس، والبنوك هي صانعي السوق، سواء مع بعضها وفيما بينها ومع الصناديق والشركات التي هي عملائها.
وعلاوة على ذلك، هناك صناع السوق في جميع الأسواق. وهم هم الذين يقدمون سيولة ثابتة. يفعلون ذلك من خلال دائما على استعداد لتقديم الاقتباس واتخاذ الجانب الآخر من التجارة. وبدون هذه الأسواق ستعمل الأسواق بشكل أقل سلاسة. وكقاعدة عامة، يبدو صناع السوق في جميع الأسواق ببساطة لجعل انتشار مرارا وتكرارا. انهم لا تبدو عموما لاتخاذ مواقف، ولكن بدلا من أن تكون محايدة صافي.
وسطاء الفوركس الذين يعملون كصانعي السوق تعمل في الأساس نفس الطريقة. فهي تعوض فقط طول العملاء والسراويل ضد واحد وغيرها. هل لديهم أحيانا زيادة في الوزن؟ بالتأكيد. في مثل هذه الحالات لديهم عمليات داخلية تحدد ما إذا كانت تبقي التعرض أو ما إذا كانت تعوض في السوق. ويتناول الوسطاء المختلفون الأمور بطرق مختلفة في هذا الصدد.
توقف عن الركض.
واحدة من الحجج الأخرى ادعاءات احتيال حول وسطاء الفوركس هو أنها تدير الناس & # 8217؛ s توقف. خمين ما؟ كان هذا قبضة في الأسواق لسنوات & # 8211؛ جميع الأسواق. ويفترض أن التجار في أسواق العقود الآجلة سيئة السمعة لهذا النوع من العمل. هنا & # 8217؛ ق الشيء، على الرغم من. وتوجد الأسواق وصناع السوق لتسهيل تدفق المعاملات وجعل أموالهم منها. وسوف يفعلون كل ما هو منطقي لزيادة هذا التدفق. يمكن أن يتضمن ذلك بشكل دوري توقف التشغيل.
هذا النوع من العمل، على الرغم من ذلك، هو أسهل قليلا في سوق مركزي من في سوق الفوركس المشتت على نطاق واسع. وسطاء والتجار في سوق الفوركس تبقي عموما أسعارها بإحكام في خط لأنه إذا كانوا لا يمكن أن تفقد الأعمال التجارية. على هذا النحو، وقف تشغيل ليس شيئا يتحقق بسهولة. وسوف يتطلب الأمر جهودا منسقة للغاية بين مجموعة واسعة من صناع السوق للقيام بذلك النوع من الأمور.
في معظم الحالات، فإن المطالبات من وقف تشغيل القادمة من تجار الفوركس ليست أكثر من الناس الحصول على حرق عن طريق وضع توقفها قريبة جدا من السوق والحصول على الخروج بها من التقلبات العادية.
انظر إلى التداول الخاص بك.
السؤال الذي سأطرحه هو أن أي شخص يدعي أن عملية الفوركس عملية احتيال هو ما إذا كان بإمكانه إثبات نظام تجاري له سجل حافل من النجاح وأنهم يتبعون النظام كما تم تصميمه. وهناك الكثير من التجار قضاء فترة قصيرة نسبيا من الزمن في التداول التجريبي وتحقيق عوائد جيدة مع أي وسيلة حقيقية ثبت، ثم تجد أن الأمور مختلفة جدا عندما يتعلق الأمر المال الحقيقي. هذا هو أكثر عن التاجر من وسيط.
فكرة أن الوسيط الخاص بك ينظر إلى المواقف المفتوحة الخاصة بك & # 8211؛ من بين الآلاف من الصفقات التي قد تكون مفتوحة في وقت معين بين جميع عملائها & # 8211؛ واتخاذ القرارات على أساس أنها غريبة ومتمركزة ذاتيا في أقصى الحدود.
إذا كان لديك حقا مشكلة مع وسطاء الفوركس صنع السوق ثم التجارة من خلال إن.
هل هناك عمليات احتيال في سوق الفوركس؟ بدون شك. في أي مكان تجد الكثير من المال سوف تجد المحتالين. إذا كنت تجنب أولئك الذين لديهم مطالبات غير عادية والعصا مع الشركات الخاضعة للتنظيم، على الرغم من ذلك، يمكنك تجنب التعرض للضحية.
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آخر الملاحة.
ترك الرد إلغاء الرد.
أخذ اقتراح من & # 8220؛ التجريبي & # 8221؛ حساب، أنا & # 8217؛ في الواقع فتح أكثر من واحد لاختبار منصات متعددة. هذه الحسابات التجريبية كلها لها الرسوم البيانية الحية عليها. في حين أن بعض الوسطاء قد تحد من توفر الحساب التجريبي الخاص بك لعدد محدود من الأيام، وهناك الكثير من البائعين أشك أنت & # 8217؛ د تشغيل من & # 8220؛ تجريبي & # 8221؛ وصول الحساب إلى الرسوم البيانية لفترة طويلة جيدة.
على أية حال، نقطتي كلها هي & # 8230؛ إذا كنت تعتقد أن صانع السوق يتداول على وجه التحديد ضدك، والتحقق من المخططات البائعين الأخرى! بالتأكيد أحد صناع السوق ليس له تأثير أكثر على الرسوم البيانية لأي شخص آخر مما تفعله.
أنا & # 8217؛ م لا يزال في وضع التجريبي، ولكن على ما يبدو الحصول على المتداولة ضد بانتظام. يبدو تقريبا مثل الوقت الذي أتخلى عنه و إنقاذ من منصبي، السوق يتحرك في اتجاهي مباشرة بعد ذلك. يبدو تنبؤا بذكاء. لذلك، راجعت بعض الرسوم البيانية الأخرى. تخمين ما، إلى جانب انتشار، كانت متطابقة. يثبت فقط أن ميرفي & # 8217؛ ق القانون وعدم الخبرة هي خصومي الوحيد في هذه النقطة.
نعم، أوبيرتاتد الفوركس مثل عملية احتيال! هذه صناديق التحوط والمؤسسات الكبرى ترى جميع أوامر القادمة من خلال والتجارة ضدهم بملايينهم ومليارات الدولارات مما تسبب في القضاء على جميع صغار التجار بها. والرجل يكتب هذا المقال هو مقبل لأنه يعمل في هذه الصناعة، وحماية & # 8220؛ الأولاد الكبار. & # 8221؛ إيت؛ s B. S. كيف يتم ذلك عندما يمارس التجارة يستمر الاتجاه كما كان متوقعا، ولكن عندما أضع أمر كبير فإنه يتحول على الفور الاتجاه ويمسح لي؟ البقاء بعيدا عن الفوركس، انها & # 8217؛ غير منظم وأنها احتيال لك ولكم.
فمن خطأ الخاص بك لا الفوركس أو وسيط خطأ المتأنق!
اقتراح: قراءة المزيد من الكتب!
علامة تجعلني أضحك! 🙂
كما & # 8220؛ الرجل كتابة المقال & # 8221؛ ليس لدي أي تحيز. أنا لا الآن، ولم أكن قد عملت من أي وقت مضى لأي بنك، الوساطة، صندوق، أو أي مؤسسة أخرى تشارك في اتخاذ مواقف أو إدارة المعاملات في أي سوق. عملي كمحلل هو لمجموعة تقدم التحليل على أساس طرف ثالث. كما نرى كما لدينا النقد الاجنبى التعليق (I & # 8217؛ م حاليا في الأسهم، ولكن تستخدم في النقد الاجنبى) متاح لكلا فكسم و أودا الفوركس التجار دون أي تكلفة (والاشتراك في أي شخص يريد خلاف ذلك)، فكرة أن I & # 8217؛ م منحازة نحو المؤسسات هو نكتة كاملة.
وفوركس أصبحت أكثر تنظيما بشكل متزايد.
أنا & # 8217؛ قراءة والاستماع إلى أشخاص مختلفين مع المطالبات والمطالبات المضادة أن تداول العملات الأجنبية هو عملية احتيال. أنا شخصيا التعامل مع أفاكس، منصة النقد الاجنبى. ما واجهته هو أنه في أي وقت فتحت منصة جاهزة للتجارة، سيتم فتح موقف تلقائيا ضد الاتجاه دون مشاركتي. أبلغت الحالة إلى أفافكس لكنه ادعى أنه فيروس على جهاز الكمبيوتر الخاص بي. أنا شكلت الكمبيوتر وتثبيت مكافحة الفيروسات، حدث الشيء نفسه.
سؤالي إذن هو لماذا يتم فتح موقف ضد هذا الاتجاه وليس في اتجاه هذا الاتجاه؟ مع الإحباط، واضطررت إلى دفن بقايا من بلدي الصندوق.
شكرا لتقاسم أديوول. أنا & # 8217؛ أبدا التعامل مع أفافكس حتى لا أستطيع أن أعلق شخصيا.
كما رأينا الآن أن البنوك الاستثمارية، هيدجيفوندز، وكلاء التأمين الكبيرة، وكالات التصنيف وغيرها تم التواطؤ في أكثر من بضعة مليت الحيل $ مليار في حين جلست السلطات التنظيمية مرة أخرى على لورالس، فإنه يتطلب أكثر من ذلك بكثير لإقناع جو العامة ل جزء مع أموالهم والثقة أي نظام المال المنظم جعل من بضع كلمات على صفحة الإنترنت. أنا لست مقتنعا بعد لقد تم كوند، وسوف تكون هناك حاجة أكثر برووف قبل أن أثق أي وسيط الفوركس المتعلقة تقدم لي الوصول المباشر إلى سوق الفوركس الحقيقي.
أنا أبحث يائسة للعثور على وسيلة لكسب المال من المنزل. I & # 8217؛ د ترغب في الدخول إلى المشهد التجاري ولكن لا أعرف من أين تبدأ أو حتى إذا كانت فكرة جيدة. إم على استعداد للاستثمار في الوقت للتعلم. إم حتى على استعداد لبدء صغيرة تأخذ من الوقت لبناء عليه. ولكن مرة أخرى & # 8230؛ نو من أين تبدأ & # 8230؛ هل يجب أن أبدأ بالأسهم؟ يجب أن أفعل الفوركس؟ أنا بالكاد أعرف الفرق بين الاثنين. هل هو حتى خيارا قابلا للتطبيق في اقتصاد اليوم؟
كريس & # 8211؛ أوصي بشدة أن ننظر في الدورة التدريبية التمهيدية أو الكتاب. كانت مكتوبة على حد سواء لأشخاص مثلك الذين يرغبون في الانخراط في الأسواق، تريد أن تفعل ذلك الحق، ولكن تحتاج إلى نقطة انطلاق جيدة.
كريس، لم تحصل على دخل من المنزل من الفوركس، 98٪ من الناس يفقدون أموالهم سنة واحدة لأنه سوق غير منظم يهدف إلى مسح لكم. انهم لا يقومون بتنفيذ الصفقات على السعر الذي بدأته. الأسهم هي أسهل لأنه 's ينظم ولكن مع كل مهارة في العالم سوف تخسر المال (مثل الايجابيات) حوالي 2/3 من الوقت، لذلك خفض الخسائر الخاصة بك ويكون المخزون الثالث الخاص بك تشغيل أرباح ضخمة وكنت فرصة للحصول على دخل. هذا هو الجانب الحقيقي من القصة التي لا تسمعها كثيرا.
مارك & # 8211؛ على عكس ما كنت قد سمعت، الفوركس على نحو متزايد أكثر وأكثر تنظيما. في الولايات المتحدة أنها وضعت تحت إشراف كفتك، ومن خلالهم نفا. إنه ليس الغرب المتوحش الذي كان عليه، على الأقل في الولايات المتحدة. يمكنني & # 8217؛ ر التحدث إلى بلدان أخرى.
أما بالنسبة للتعليقات حول عدم الحصول على عمليات الإعدام بالسعر المناسب، فبإمكاني التفكير في أي وقت بين السنوات التي تستحق فيها الصفقات التي قمت بها حيث لم أكن أحصل على تعبئة مع التوقعات (أو إذا كان الأمر كذلك لم يتم تصحيحه من قبل الوسيط). إذا كنت تواجه مشكلات في ذلك، فحينئذ هناك مشكلة في ما تفعله أو يفعل الوسيط الخاص بك شيئا غير مرغوب فيه (من غير المحتمل كما يريدون فعليا تنفيذ الصفقات).
الأسهم ليست أسهل ولا أصعب. كل نفس الأخطاء رحلة التجار حتى. والفرق الوحيد هو النفوذ المسموح به. صدقوني، التنظيم لا يعني أقل فرصة لفقدان المال. بعد كل شيء، لم يمنع تنظيم إنرون أو أي فضائح أخرى سحق أي عدد من المساهمين المؤسفين.
أنا وملايين الناس بحاجة إلى فرص للبقاء على قيد الحياة. بعد البحث في جميع الشكاوى، وتبحث في مواقع وسيط، و نفا و كتف المواقع، خلصت إلى أنه على الرغم من أن سوق الفوركس هو شرعي، وسطاء الفوركس ليست كذلك. بل هو عملية احتيال للتداول في سوق الفوركس. وينبغي تنظيمها وإنفاذها بشكل كبير. ومن العار أن سوق الفوركس لديها مثل هذه الفرص الكبيرة التي يحتاجها الجميع ولكن يتم إهدار بسبب كل هؤلاء الوسطاء ملتوية الذين الغش والكذب وسرقة أموالك.
وسطاء الفوركس أر منظم & # 8211؛ على الأقل في الولايات المتحدة. فهي تقع تحت إشراف كتك من خلال نفا.
لقد فقدت تقريبا كل أموالي صنع الصفقات الكبيرة. الحافات الصغيرة من ناحية أخرى أنا جعلت أكثر من 1000٪ مكاسب. هذا مؤشر يشير إلى شخص يتداول مقابل الصفقات الكبيرة.
مارك & # 8211؛ أو يمكن أن يكون ببساطة أن كنت قد أخذت الكثير من المخاطر مع الصفقات الكبيرة الخاصة بك، وأنه بمجرد خفض المخاطر الخاصة بك لم السحب الخاصة بك لا تفعل تقريبا الكثير من الضرر؟
كنت أقرأ مارك المشتركة من البداية. أعرف كيف تشعر مارك وتتفق تماما معكم. أنا التجارة من أجل العيش بشكل جيد جدا في سوق الأسهم. ومع ذلك سوق الفوركس هي لعبة جديدة كاملة، كل القراد يجري السيطرة من قبل بين البنوك، كل علامة عليه نقلها تتحرك لكسب المال للبنوك مصلحة خاصة، شخص يفوز شخص ما يجب أن يخسر. المال دون & # 8217؛ ر تأتي من أي مكان. كنت تأخذ شراء بعض واحد لديك لبيع لجعل العمل التجاري وكاملة. دون & # 8217؛ t كنت أتساءل لماذا 5٪ أو أقل هو جعله في السوق. 95٪ تفجير حساب في أقل من 6 أشهر. دون & # 8217؛ ر صدقوني محاولة هذا هو حساب المال الحقيقي، واختيار شراء عشوائي أو بيع 30 نقطة سي 30 نقطة تب. تفعل ذلك لحوالي 100 أو 1000 الصفقات. حوالي 90 +٪ من الوقت سوف تحصل على ضرب على سي وإرادة لن تكون 50/50 فرصة مثل الأسهم.
وأعتقد أن لديهم الكثير من التلاعب في السوق وأن التجار تبدأ حقا الاعتقاد البريد الخاصة بهم & # 8211؛ فإن بعض المحللين الاقتصاديين قادرون جدا على قول أي شيء المؤسسة التي يعملون من أجلها ثم يقولون لاقامة ظروف السوق. العقود الآجلة للنفط هي مثال جيد واحد وتحطمت عندما دعت أوبك أخيرا لهم جميعا عن طريق خفض الإنتاج ليس مرة واحدة ولكن مرتين. الدولار الاسترالي هو العملة السادسة الأكثر تداولا في العالم & # 8211؛ فإنه لا يستحق هذا المركز & # 8211؛ ولكن التجار يرى أنها آمنة وقادرة على التلاعب بها.
يمكن لمديري الصناديق الكبيرة بسهولة وضع السوق لمتطلباتهم.
حسنا، هنا هي الحقيقة حول الفوركس (أو التداول بشكل عام). السوق هو عشوائي تماما، ولذلك فمن المستحيل أن يكون يتقن باستمرار. مع مرور الوقت، بغض النظر عن الاستراتيجية التي تستخدمها، أنت & # 8217؛ سوف تفقد المال، وأموالك يذهب إلى جيب الوسيط الخاص بك. إذا كان السوق لديه بعض درجات من القدرة على التنبؤ، ثم واحد سوف تتعلم كيفية كسب المال للخروج منه، لأنه لا يوجد، انها مثل القمار. وبعبارة أخرى، إذا ذهبت إلى الكازينو، لديك نفس الفرصة للفوز أو الخسارة. و 5٪ من الفائزين ببساطة لا يوجد & # 8217؛ وجود & # 8230؛ لم تكن موجودة، وأبدا لن! أنا & # 8217؛ ليرة لبنانية تعطيك تشبيه مثالي مع عالم الرياضة. يعرف الخبراء أنه من المستحيل تطوير العضلات الكبيرة أو تشغيل 100 متر في أقل من 9 ثوان دون المنشطات. ومع ذلك، هناك شهادات (الذين لم يتم القبض عليهم في اختبار المنشطات، وهو مهزلة الحقيقية) الذين أقسم أنهم فعلوا ذلك. يتم دفعها ببساطة للكذب على الجمهور، وبالتالي فإن الحلم يمكن أن تستمر.
السوق هو نفسه. إذا كنت & # 8217؛ التفكير في استثمار المال الحقيقي الخاص بك، نفعل ذلك، ولكن فقط من أجل المتعة والإثارة، نامل أبدا أن كنت و رسكو؛ ليرة لبنانية جعل أي أموال للخروج منه، إن لم يكن من الحظ النقي.
الصفقات جيدة للجميع.
في الحقيقة، الناس الذين يشكون هنا فقط لا أعرف كيفية التجارة بشكل صحيح. لماذا تبيعون أنفسكم قصيرة وتتخذون هذه الخسائر؟ بالطبع السوق سوف تذهب إلى أسفل. إذا كنت فعلا اتباعه أثناء التداول، يمكنك بسهولة ضمان أن تجعل المكاسب في نهاية المطاف. شراء بسعر منخفض و بيع بسعر عالي. إنه & # 8217؛ s بهذه البساطة. من الواضح أنه سيكون هناك بعض التذبذب في السوق، ولكن لديهم القليل من الصبر للبكاء بصوت عال، والتوقف عن التفكير في السوق هو الحصول على مخطط الغنية الغنية.
أنا من ذوي الخبرة تداول الأسهم مع أكثر من 12 عاما من التداول عبر الإنترنت. لقد تعلمت نفسي بخصوص الفوركس. لا خبير هنا، ولكن أنا ربما أعرف بقدر الرجل القادم مع 11 شهرا من تداول الفوركس تحت حزامه. وهنا النقطة: بعد أن تم تداول 1،455 صفقة على مدى 11 شهرا، أدت 89.9٪ من صفقاتي إلى خسائر. جميع أنواع الصفقات: من 2 سكالبس دقيقة إلى الصفقات تدوم ما يقرب من 10 شهرا. لقد استخدمت العديد من أدوات التحليل الفني، وكثير منها أثبتت فائدة ومربحة في تداول الأسهم بلدي.
حتى لو انقلبت عملة قبل كل صفقة، ربما يكون هناك بعض حيث حوالي 50٪ من حيث الخسائر والأرباح. في يوم سيء من التداول بالقطع النقدية، كنت بالتأكيد تقريبا الحق على الأقل 1/3 من الوقت (33٪). فمن المستحيل تقريبا أن تكون خاطئة تقريبا 90٪ من الوقت & # 8211؛ تحت أي ظرف من الظروف. لا يوجد نموذج رياضي لدعم ذلك. NONE. حتى لو فعلت العكس تماما مما أعتقد أن الرسوم البيانية تشير، وأود أن لا تزال غير خاطئة 90٪ من الوقت. إنه مستحيل. لذلك، فإن التفسير المنطقي الوحيد هو أن سوق الفوركس ثابت. كيف وإلى أي مدى، لا أعرف. ولكن هناك ببساطة أي تفسير آخر.
مقبض لطيفة. وبما أن الإحصاءات المبلغ عنها ل كفتك تظهر أن نحو 30٪ من تجار الفوركس بالتجزئة يكسبون المال كل ربع سنة، فمن الواضح أنه ليس مستحيلا. وبالتالي، المنطق الخاص بك هو معيب من البداية. وهذا يفترض أن النسبة المئوية للفوز هي العامل الحاسم في الربحية، وهو ما هو عليه.
[لغة خالية إزالة] وتشير احصائيات نفا أن & # 8220؛ 99.6٪ من تجار الفوركس التجزئة تفقد أموالهم. & # 8221؛ وأن متوسط ​​الخسارة يقع في مكان ما حول & # 8220؛ & # 8230؛ $ 16،000 أوسد. & # 8221؛ أنت وأكاذيبك سوف تحرق في الجحيم. تذكر هذا.
أنا & # 8217؛ رأى بعض ما ذكرت نفا على الربحية مؤخرا. ولم يكن هناك أي شيء مثل الخسائر بنسبة 99.6٪ أو 16000 دولار. يرجى تقديم رابط إلى المصدر.
في الواقع هذه النقطة هي: فإن العمل السعر (في الغالب في سوق الفوركس) تجعل دائما كنت تعتقد أنك على الجانب الخطأ من السوق، وهذا هو السبب في كل الصفقات تصبح & # 8220؛ فقدان الصفقات & # 8221؛. إذا حصلت على & # 8220؛ يمين & # 8221؛ في السوق، إلا إذا كان هناك ارتفاع في صالحك بعد بضع دقائق، والأعصاب الخاصة بك لن تبقي، في حين أن السعر سوف يتأرجح بين السعر المفتوح الخاص بك و ستوبلوس الخاص بك، لذلك عند نقطة واحدة ربما سوف تغلق التجارة في فقدان أو التعادل، لاكتشاف بعد ساعات قليلة كنت على حق. أو حتى إذا كانت صفحتك ستحقق ربحا قليلا، فسوف تغلقها قبل تشغيل الأرباح الكبيرة.
في الحالة الأخرى، عندما تحصل على & # 8220؛ خطأ & # 8221؛ في السوق، وربما كنت ضرب من ستوبلوس، أو أنك لن تغلق التجارة في الوقت المناسب، لأنه من الصعب أن تقبل أن تكون خاطئة & # 8230؛
نهاية القصة: تحصل في الحق أو الخطأ، وسوف يخرج دائما في لحظة خاطئة، إضافة أرباح قصيرة وخسائر كبيرة.
على أي حال، أفضل الطوابق التجارية لا تجعل أكثر من 20٪ على سنة جيدة، ويقول يقول أيضا 50٪ .. فلماذا يجب أن خطر المال الخاص لجعل في أفضل حالة 20٪. وضع 100K للحصول على 20K، ولكن خطر أن تفقد 50K & # 8230؛ ؟
انها حقا لا معنى له.
ديك هيرتز كوز أنت & # 8217؛ سيئة في التداول & # 8230 ؛.
الضحك بصوت مرتفع. نعم، حسنا، دعونا نؤمن جميعا بما تخبرنا به حكومة ستايس المتحدة. تداول أعضاء لجنة السلع الآجلة المستخدمة لتناول الغداء مع رجال المجلس الأعلى للتعليم الذين أجروا عمليات التدقيق مادوف لجميع تلك السنوات، أليس كذلك؟ نجاح باهر، شخص فعلا بايس لكتابة المقالات؟
لم يتم الإبلاغ عن ذلك من قبل كفتك. قلت ذكرت ل. ويقول الوسطاء الأرقام. ربما لا تريد أن تثق بهم أيضا. غرامة. ايا كان. أنا & # 8217؛ م لن ندخل في نقاش حول ذلك هنا. ومع ذلك، فإنك تمثل نموذجا من تجربة سنة واحدة وعامك كذاب من أسلوب إلى طريقة وإطار زمني إلى إطار زمني يعني القليل جدا عن طريق إثبات. I & # 8217؛ د أقول الشيء نفسه لشخص يدعي تألق على أساس سنة واحدة & # 8217؛ s الأداء العظيم جدا.
الفوز٪ ليس العامل المحدد في الربح ؟؟ دون & # 8217؛ t أخبرني & # 8212؛ كنت تعمل لإدارة أوباما، أليس كذلك؟ هو ما يصل إلى أسفل؛ الدين جيد؛ ارتفاع الضرائب يعني زيادة الإيرادات؛ في بعض اليوم، سيتم تشغيل السيارات على فرتس. دون & # 8217؛ إنهاء عملك اليوم. آمل أن لا علاقة له بالتمويل. وإذا كان الأمر كذلك، اسمحوا & # 8217؛ s لا أحد يستمع.
رؤية كما أتمكن من إثبات لك النظم التي لديها نسبة عالية جدا الفوز٪ ولكن أداء ضعيف جدا (والعكس بالعكس) & # 8211؛ وربما كنت أفكر في بعض نفسك & # 8211؛ الفوز بوضوح٪ ليس العامل الحاسم في الربحية. انها جزء من المعادلة للتأكد، ولكن ليس كل ذلك. هذا هو واحد من تلك الأشياء نوبيس تحديد على، عادة إلى ضررهم.
مثالي، سور، حرية بعد السجن، كرابولا. ديك هيرتز & # 8217؛ ق (مقبض كبير!) نقطة اتخذت بشكل جيد. الحركة هي في نهاية المطاف صعودا أو هبوطا. يمكن أن يكون على الجانب شتي من التجارة 89 مرات من أصل 100 مع أكثر من 1000 الصفقات تنفيذها دون أن يتم التلاعب بها. الفوز٪ ليس العامل المحدد؟ الضحك بصوت مرتفع. حسنا، أقول ذلك إلى الأحمر سوكس و يانكيز. هذا فقاعة مورونيك هو لماذا يتغذى الأمريكيين العاديين تماما مع شارع الشارع والقرصنة الفاسدين تفعل التسليح. يكمن، الخداع ثم لتغيير وتيرة، وأكثر الأكاذيب.
أنت & # 8217؛ مقارنة بجدية التداول إلى البيسبول؟ بشكل جاد؟ الحديث عن فتاة.
انتصارات في البيسبول هي ثنائية. أنت إما الفوز أو كنت لا & # 8217؛ ر. لا يهم فرق التشغيل الخاص بك. في التداول التي تعمل التفاضلية المسائل بالتأكيد. إذا فزت 99 مرة من أصل 100 وأن التجارة 100 مناديل من جميع الأرباح من بقية الصفقات ثم أنه لا & # 8217؛ ر جعل لعنة قليلا من الفرق أنك فزت 99٪ من الوقت، أليس كذلك؟ التقليب في جميع أنحاء، إذا فقدت 70٪ من الوقت ولكن 30٪ أخرى هي كبيرة بما فيه الكفاية الفائزين أن كنت & # 8217؛ جيدا في الأخضر، هل يهم واحد أن يكون لديك فقط نسبة الفوز 30٪؟
هذا ليس لي أن أقول أن حجم الفائزين الخاص بك هو العامل المحدد. انها & # 8217؛ ق لي قائلا انها & # 8217؛ ق مزيج من الفوز٪ والأحجام النسبية من انتصارات والخسائر التي تقرر أدائك.
فإنه لا يزال من الجدير بالملاحظة أنك أخفقت في التعامل مع السيد هيرتز & # 8217's كونتنتيون & # 8211؛ & غ؛ لا أحد سيصبح خطأ 89٪ من الوقت. i & # 8217؛ م لا مدرس الرياضيات، ولا أنا حاصل على شهادة الدراسات العليا في التمويل. however, i do have a phd in LIFE, and my decades of living tell me nobody (smart, dumb, expert or newbie) is getting snookered 89 times out of a 100 without someone else pulling strings. فترة.
You apparently weren’t paying attention when I said a sample of one individual who has admitted to using all different kinds of time frames and trading styles over a year’s time is insufficient evidence of anything – good, bad, or otherwise – no matter how many trades. Of course, if he’s been trading with some no name, unregulated broker then I might allow for potential shenanigans. Otherwise, show me evidence that the employed methodology should have been profitable.
Of course the real question is why someone wouldn’t stop trading (at least live) after say the first hundred or so trades when the win % was so low.
yeah sure you can lose 90% of the time….simply put when your doing well, you’re too greedy so you don’t get out…. when you start losing, you can’t take the pain so you get out…hence you always lose.
Here is my input for what its worth. I have 8+ years of.
experience, with the last 4 years traded full time, devoting up to 10+ hours a.
day to direct market participation. I am an educated (fool), mature adult with.
a degree in mathematics from a Russell Group university and more than a decadeof programming experience, and i consider myself to be.
“sophisticated” (or stupid) enough to be involved in OTC markets. أنا.
have traded every possible combination of technical analysis, timeframe,
fundamentals, with many brokers, ECN’s, MM’s and spread bet platforms, manually and with automation. I have put the best and most (un) productive years of my life into beating the FX markets. To cut a long story short, i have been around the block at least once and have the hairline to prove it.
When considering the FX market and the potential for.
manipulation, a “white lie” PR sound bite often used to muddy the.
waters is that the FX markets are just too large to manipulate, with.
traded every day. Sounds HUGE right? But as with any confidence trick, its a.
thing of scale; when you break that amount down into all the different markets,
and break down the day into hours, minutes and seconds it turns out that only.
$2mil per second of flow is required to move the most liquid pair, EUR/USD, at.
the busiest times – and for the less liquid pairs the sums required to move a.
market are pitiful. What is a 2mil lot worth to a MM? Well, many retail traders.
trade with 1 mil lots using leverage… so the answer is, that to a MM, it’s.
not worth a lot.
The stone cold truth is that if you place stops near the.
market they will be hit the overwhelming majority of times, and yes, they are.
specifically targeted, and yes, its easy to do…just ask anyone with market.
making experience. And more to the point, if the MM was not legally allowed to.
do it, they would go out of business in a month. As a retail investor, your.
soul purpose as a short-term participant in the OTC market is to feed the MM’s.
book so they can lay off the prices at a future date, in layman’s terms – أنت.
are the fool at the table. This function is not of the (misunderstood) kind.
where you place a trade and a institution or another investor takes the other.
side immediately, and its everyman for himself from that point… your function.
is that you implicitly expand the MM’s profit margin so they can take the.
bigger hits in the future from professionals who they are obliged to cater for.
This can happen over minutes, days or weeks. Having a “neutral book”
is a misunderstood and an outrageously subjective concept; a MM can move a.
market some distance and still remain completely neutral within the constraints.
of their business model.
YOU provide “liquidity” to the market by putting.
it in the MM’s P&L margin, not by putting it in the spot market…99% of.
retail flows don’t get anywhere near the spot market, the real business is done.
on private platforms between extremely privileged institutional traders who.
“talk to each other”. That’s why you are offered and encouraged to.
use leverage (in most cases the option of trading without leverage does not.
even exist! Why would it, that defeats the purpose!, the ordinary sums in your.
bank account just wouldnt do the job sufficiently). Here is the long and short of.
عليه؛ it’s not in the interests of central banks that market makers and liquidity.
providers should face difficulties, especially not from retail investors.
Hence, they have all kinds of distinct privileges awarded to them to skew each.
and every outcome in their favour, this includes being allowed to move the.
market…and ripping off Mr retail is their bread and butter. Ask your market maker to show you the contract they entered with the central bank and regulatory bodies of their given jurisdictions.
Also, don’t be fooled by the smokescreen of anonymity.
offered through ECN’s either. If you dig deep into the legal, you will see that.
all ECN’ providers have a clause that lets them share “any individuals.
data” with their liquidity providers. فقط فكر بذلك لثانيه واحده.
Here is a word-for-word snapshot of the legal from a Swiss broker;
“Dukascopy Europe is entitled to transfer all personal.
data of the client, transaction records and all other information submitted by.
the client or otherwise obtained during the course of the business.
relationship, to its affiliates or counterparties, in order to facilitate the.
consumption of, and to discharge its obligations under this.
agreement.” So, im no lawyer, but.
i think we can all agree here that the premise of anonymity is a bit of a joke…
that’s why this particular company, though Swiss, is legally based in Latvia.
where trade description requirements are easily skirted.
The whole industry; analysts, technical analysts, brokers,
gurus, commentators, journalists, software developers etc…unwittingly It all feeds off convincing people they too can have a comfortable life as an FX trader.
to live as an independent FX trader is probably by far the stupidest thing an.
individual could consider, it borders on suicide…something many of us consider.
frequently. Scratch the surface enough, and you will find a lot of.
troubled individuals, who have been wrecked by a period of foolish desire to.
get something for nothing. Only to find they get a lot of nothing for just.
about everything they could give. Beware folks, trading can destroy you, turn.
you into a bitter and joyless individual and teach you a very cruel.
lesson…those with the money intend on keeping it, and yours. Don’t say you.
haven’t been warned, the biggest mistake of my life was assuming I was smart.
enough for the job, when smarts really didn’t matter. The day trading(scalps,
swings, noise) game is rigged.
Aaron – You make a very good point on the illusion of the $4trln of daily volume, particularly since spot trading, which is the main driver of exchange rates, accounts for half or less of that total. I would push back on a couple of things, though.
First, you mentioned $2mln/minute to move EUR/USD, but it must be clear that such volume must be sustained to make the market move. As soon as the order flow stops, the market is likely to begin reverting. We see that happen quite often when clusters of orders are hit (stop running, etc.) where the market moves rapidly in a short span, but once the orders are cleared it moves back again. In other words, manipulation is possible in the short-term, but much harder to accomplish without considerable risk beyond that (it’s the same way in all markets).
Second, I think it’s a real stretch to say there are “many retail traders” trading $1mln lots, and certainly they aren’t doing so at $2mln/second. Not that it matters if you’re correct about 99% of retail volume not reaching the interbank market. I’m not entirely sure that’s 99% is the case because of the way many brokers do a pass through to/from liquidity providers, which are basically interbank dealers, but I do agree that retail has a relatively small impact on exchange rates overall.
We should make it clear, though, that when you say Market Maker (MM), you are talking about the interbank market MMs, not retail brokers. The latter mainly just pass prices through. It’s the former that are the primary price makers. They are the one running stops. It’s being done at the interbank level, which naturally trickles down to the retail realm. But per your statement above about retail volume not reaching the interbank market, your comment that retail traders “feed the MM’s book” is contradictory.
Yes, in the grand scheme of things the retail trader is the fool at the table (at least the majority of them), but from the interbank perspective they aren’t the fools from whom the money is being made. They just aren’t doing enough of the volume. From a MM’s perspective, since they have access to information about flows, it could be said everyone else is the fool, but I have to imagine they look at hedgers and multi-nationals, who are strictly acting in a business rather than speculative context, as the real golden geese.
That said, it’s hard to disagree about how the whole industry works to pull people in with dreams of easy riches. And as someone who has stated for the record that he does not trade full-time for a living and has zero interest in ever doing so, I will naturally concur that it’s something silly to even contemplate. 🙂
What kind of response is this? A halfhearted spin attempt to support your story interlaced with an agreement that the FX market is designed to trigger stops at the expense of retail traders?
The following is posted from your article:
For traders in the futures pits are supposedly notorious for that kind.
of action. Here’s the thing, though. The markets and market makers exist.
to facilitate transaction flow and make their money from it. هم انهم.
going to do whatever makes sense to increase that flow. أن.
periodically could include running stops.
In one fail swoop you imply that it is “supposed” meaning unfounded, and then agree, that yes, MMs will indeed run stops.
Face it, this posted comment pinpointed who’s interest the MM is working in, and to say it is in the interest of the MM alone is a flat out lie and YOU know it.
And to Aaron’s Mailbox thank you very much for your very well written response. It’s one of the best things I’ve read on the internet in awhile. It’s a shame it appeared in the comments section of this article.
Ntry – I have no idea what you’re going on about. At no point have I said anything like the forex market exists to trigger the stops of retail traders. Since the FX market long pre-dated retail participation, that’s about the most foolish idea out there. The retail markets does extremely well lining the pockets of the brokers and market makers without even bringing the stop question in at all. All they have to do is scoop up the spreads and maybe sit on the other side of the net retail flow and they’ll do quite well for themselves.
My point about the MMs running stops is that they are doing it at the inter-bank level where the real volume is happening. Retail traders are basically just collateral damage.
It’s a FreeMasons game based on the 7-sins made by the 1%,we can crack this bankers fraud.
Hey John - Wondering what your view of the current trading platforms being 100% simulated – programed to react to your every action - not only preventing people from making profit - but programmed to take their entire account. I discovered that the NFA enabled the industry to use false advertising – as their product was transferred from real trading to simulated gaming platforms that process everything like a game. They did it by changing the entire definition of the term Forex Trading (and FOREX, FX) from “On-Exchange” to “Off-Exchange” which was totally illegal. I’ve been trying to tell everyone and get something done about it but its hard because all the regulators seem to be participating in it. I’ve been totally alone fighting this and would like someone to talk with about this topic - share what I found. I’m not advertising my site - but please visit it so you can see what I’ve found. I have nothing to gain with what I do - other then a mild desire to restore a little respect to my family. We caused the 1907 financial scare.(Augustus, Otto and my grandmothers dad Arthur Heinze) I was a trading prodigy till the platforms started running anti-profit programs. On 8 different PFG 50k test accounts I cleared 2 million in 2 days (proving to a friend it wasn’t just luck) the 8th account I continued for 4 days – crashing their server trying to close 17 million for a total of 27 million in 4 days. Now - I cant profit more than about 5k a week. My skill didnt change - the platforms became rigged. How do we put a stop to it?
firstly a demo account is no way the same as live, Forex trading is 10% skill and 90% emotion! you don’t have emotion on a demo account because its not your money! when your using your own money you worry and make mistakes, if they traded against you or not it does not matter its your fault! greed, fear is why most fail, forget ea’s they don’t work! bottom line study hard and only risk a maximum of 2% a trade, also get someone who does know to learn from! i like Neil fuller i think he’s name is try Google it, he’s site is full of amazing info.
I have been trading FOREX for 5 years now. It took me the first 4 years just to figure out whether I was coming or going. I spent countless hours of my days studying the market movement in relation to the vast array of indicators that are out there. I was able to narrow down my approach with a trading model that finally offered me a much higher win ratio. I continued to fine tune this model and got rid of the indicators that simply served no purpose. While I have lost my shirt many years in this market, I am responsible enough to know that it was due to my own mistakes. I made the same mistakes repeatedly and watched my demise as if it were deja vue. When I first started trading I didn’t have a lot of capital to work with. My trades pretty much had to be perfect or bust. My common errors were over-leveraging my trades resulting in margin calls. Instead of waiting for my technicals to fully mature, I would jump the gun and experience unnecessary draw downs. If these draw downs didn’t engage my stop loss, I ended up waiting weeks sometime just for my trade to reach break even. I have never felt that my broker (FXCM) is scamming me or gunning my stops. Most people do not educate themselves in this industry in a manner that gives them a fighting chance. While you can take all of the courses on forex you want, most of the formal training in my opinion simply does not apply to each individual. With lagging indicators and so many trainers out there telling you their way is the way to success, I think this is what causes so much of the confusion and perception that a scam is afoot. I had to combine the formal training with a mix of common sense, a sprinkle of unorthodox and a dash of invention to make a reliable model that works for me. If you find yourself experiencing a majority of failing trades, you just need to realize that your approach is not working and you must change it immediately. If you continue to fail after that, you will have to accept that THIS IS JUST NOT FOR EVERYONE!!
just look at all these EA mq4 indicators and scripts, they are all other the web ! The Forex mafia is paying these developpers and bloggers to give guilible new comers to believe that they can outbeat the Chaos ! The only way to make money on Forex retail trading is to join the Dark side of the force !
Ive been trading forex for about five months now, and watched hours of Steve Niso seminars and others videos feeling confident that I had the knowledge to know how to go about trading. After losing my money this last time, it all became clear. I put all the math together. Wont be able to lay it all out here,.but in short, forex trade is nothing but a sophisticated casino. You can learn all the techniques and strategies you want but it doesnt matter. Every scenario has a fifty percent opposite scenario. Its just bulls vs bears. Its a very brilliant scam because there are so many ways you THINK you can win. Take trends. يبدو بسيطا بما فيه الكفاية. Wait for the topa andwave in a down trend and go short. Or vise versa. But you dont know that wave is come down til afyer it does. Even if a trend has ten waves you dont know that til it happens and there are as many scenarios 1 wave 2 waves that you stilll are 50 50 when u take a position. Ypu can break support or resistance and it could snap back. and go the other way…or snap back and come down or any number of scenarios. You will always see tonnes of scenarios where technical analysis holds true but only in hindsight and where it doesnt work is overlooked. You never know your mistakes til you make them and u cant learn from them because the next scenario will go the other way. Even with fundamental analysis…..cant explain it all now but the net reult is 50 50….and since you pay the spreads its like a house edge that makes it no different than a casino….all the math came to me at once….then i looked up forex fraud on wikipedia and it backed up everything i finally came to understand. Its sneaky and more sophisticated than a casino but just as losing of a bet if not more.
And as for reversal signals like hammers, shooting stars, bearish and bulish engulfings….thet cause you to enter against the trend….so do u go with the 1-2-3-4-10 and so on wave trends as many try to coax u with or go for reversals? As i say, 50 50.
Theres more to explain. As i say, its too complex to lay it all out here….but in short…..forex looks winnable but isnt….thats the danger of it.
You can certainly look at charts and see lots of occasions where a long rally will follow a hammer but add up all the scenarios where it didnt to the scenarios where it rallied some but didnt reach a desired target and flip flopped while before coming down. Add it all up. Its a lot like sitting at a black jack table watching your chips go up down up down up more down more bet more lose more bet less win less up more down more til its all gone.
You have to win just to make the spread and no one one wants to stop at break even. Easier to go down that up. Its pure casino.
Forex its the biggest scam of the century ;
how its done ? easy; imagine 1000 shop trader who share one elaborate software and one central super powered computer , they are all linked to each other. They can very fast asses any market info.
Now me or you issue a dealing ticket , what they do straight away estabilish if you are a beginner a new member of their family ! if yes they let you win a bit a few times, but not much, then when they know you are hocked they change the switch and take you to the cleaner .
They are regulated by crooks .
The worst on the market to use the city index , keep away, on 100 trade tickets on long position 97% went down in price. it obvious they run against people like me and you.
I had an open position for almost 3 month, I then closed, as soon I closed, the price went up, I then bought.
One reply is enough. You’ve made your point. I’ve deleted the other comments as redundant.
The issue I had learning was that when I put stops in the price would never be met and it would wipe out my demo account and just carry on going. I understand that if no one is buying at the price it’ll pick the nearest etc. So I’m assuming that if the stop never got hit then no one was even close? So on a demo account I was making profit and then the entire 50k went on a single tiny trade overnight just for the sake of one stop. Why would you risk real money on a mechanism like that?
Sounds to me like you were using limit orders rather than stops. A stop must be filled once that level is reached or breached. A limit order only gets filled at the exact price.
I dont think so. Just because you cant earn money doesnt mean it is a scam and nobody can 😀
I agree now, after finally making some interesting profits with XM. I have a long history of losses but although i STILL believe the broker ALWAYS hedges their positions directly AGAINST their cash cow clients, this does NOT mean you CAN NOT make profits in forex. Even with Pus500 which i consider a totally scammy broker, who clearly trade (as it is STATED in their Client Agreement) DIRECTLY AND ALWAYS AGAINST THE CLIENT (through immediate and 100% hedging and controlling the price of both the BUY and SELL on ALL positions and tickers traded on their platform), i made some astounding profits ($5000 in one month, for example). Now with another broker who allows hedging, i have been able to double and even quintuple small accounts within a month and do even more. So, after THOUSANDS of hours of trading BADLY, i am beginning to become hopeful that there is a STRONG POSSIBILITY that one can generate ACTIVE forex trading income (i still spend about 14 hours a day trading but sometimes only 4 or 5 …with a LOT of breaks!) even with deceitful and even fraudulent brokers. It all comes down to extreme rigidity in money management, knowing how to read indicators and use price movements to your advantage; and copious helpings of God’s grace.
Forex is actually not swindling. As Forex trading rises in popularity, Forex trading frauds are becoming more common. Beginning Forex traders are often considered an easy target for these Forex scammers because the Forex market is not regulated.
Forex = four “X” = 4X = X X X X.
Trader sounds very much like “TRAITOR”
i was just ripped off by xm mi ea is so plain simple it was obvius sombody had there hands the account.
Hi phillippe, i have traded with XM for about 2.5 years. I find it almost impossible to retain profit through their MT4 platform. I sympathise with what you are saying; but i think it comes down to this: first, XM is run by ‘ex’ المصرفيين. You think they want you to keep any money you put in an XM account? Second, all Metatrader accounts are controlled through servers in Russia. Where do you think metaquotes and MQL4,5 come from? So often, i have felt certain that the ‘investor password’ function was set on metatrader for ONE reason only: to allow ‘account managers’ at Metatrader brokers to monitor your actual screen and to manipulate your account and its positions. Why else have such a function? So often, i have made a trade with the trend; but as soon as i place the order, the trend reverses. I have been trading fx for about seven years; and it has been a massive loss for me, mainly due to the collapse in the Euro and my failure to properly manage the account balance once i bought and the Euro collapsed. At the time, i did not know much about hedging. The problem is, even if you hedge, the broker just continually reverses your positions until, eventually, you are either marginned or stopped out. I am almost convinced now that XM, and ALL Metatrader brokers, also Plus500 and FXCM (whom i had accounts with) are actually trading, or rather, hedging against their client accounts. It only makes sense, since they are acting as Principal. As human beings, we need to learn to look out for one another, and stop trading forex altogether. There is no hope for us to live a worthwhile and meaningful life otherwise. Retail traders are the food of the vermin bankster scum. Don’t believe the lies your XM broker tells you; and the same applies to IQOption. Binary trading is just another forex fraud.
Forex is indeed a scam! Beware.
And you say this because …. ؟
I have made losses of circa 135000 USD, starting from Dec 2018 until recently Aug 2018.
I have only withdraw a meager profit of 2000 USD and that was made on some Friday on EURUSD. I had a capital of 250 USD only.
I accept my mistakes, over-leveraging my trades, having over-confidence in myself, long waiting for trades to break-even. Also, most importantly, out of 100 trades, 90 trades were without stop losses.
I do believe that I was wrong on many fronts. But at the same time, I firmly believe that there is a dark force on the other side, who will not let me make much profit and will manipulate the rates for their own profit.
Thank you for the reply. Are you talking real money here? those are large losses, especially if you are not wealthy. I myself lost about the same amount in shares and forex combined; most of it in the dot bomb crash in 2001 but also about 1/2 in forex between 2004 and today. The good news is, in spite of believing that the bankers and the wicked trade directly against retail clients (which they certainly DO), i have been seeing some success in trading.
In the past 2 months i was able to accomplish the following:
1) Finally understanding a LOT more about viable indicators and trading patterns (i have tried several methods now since the beginning of the year), and learning how to apply them;
2) Finally apply disciplined money management;
3) Finally avoid overleveraging;
4) Finally avoid repeatedly emotionally trading and blowing up the account;
5) Avoiding margin calls through adding funds where absolutely necessary and buying time to reverse trades where i had entered incorrectly;
6) Avoiding constantly buying into a selling trend and vice versa (this should be #1!)
7) Listening to my wife (a Finance Manager) and withdrawing profits immediately, before going back in.
Through the above processes, after deciding to call it quits with Forex after seven years, i managed to start making some interesting profits:
1. Turned 100 Euros into 890 Euros within 6 weeks.
2. Turned 164 Euros into about 570 Euros within a month.
Unfortunately, i did not maintain the discipline long enough, and again went against the trends, selling the USD and buying the Euro when the trends were the reverse (it is very difficult to read the trends properly and takes a great deal of practice). So, i did not retain all of the profits:
1) lost most of the 890 Euros and had 64 Euros left.
2) Placed that 64 Euros back in and added 100 Euros.
3) Pushed the account back up to 570 Euros and then.
4) Began to lose the account. Cleared the account at approximately.
1070 Euros and retained 890 Euros of that (170 Euros credit). After deducting the 500 Euros i topped up when it was obvious prices would continue to go against me and margin me out, the net profit on the account was 395 Euros. This is not great for 4 weeks’ work but it is still a good result!
I am currently using a very small account (200 Euros) and learning again how to read the indicators and maintaining discipline.
I use the following free indicators:
2. FCAL (Financial News);
3. Bollinger Bands;
6. Sonic (6 indicators altogether and some templates);
7. Demo frontrunning when absolutely necessary.
I did not achieve success by myself; it is first, God’s grace and second, the advice and feedback of several people i happened to read articles from, over the last six months: their advice has been absolutely critical to the reversal in my fortunes.
I am not wealthy and have worked all my life; my money lost to liars and thieves in the equities markets and to unscrupulous companies like Pus500 is very large and represents decades of work and literally thousands of hours of my life. However, if i can recover these monies or even begin to make a sustainable, modest passive income based on fairly basic strategies, then i will be pleased with the outcome!
I am considering training people in forex and have set up a website here in Singapore to do so. But i need to become much better at this than i am and don’t know if i will be able to actually do this (for most of my life i have been a Technical Writer but i am now fairly obsolete).
If you find the above details helpful, i do hope you will not give up hope and i encourage you to use VERY small accounts and seek to double and triple them before withdrawing profits and going back in. With good strategies and disciplined money management, it is possible to take money from forex brokers (not binary options though; that is a fool’s errand!).
Forex and spread betting is a SCAM !! …Ive only just realised after losing my life on it, it is almost impossible to win I have been doing it for 10years everytime i lost I thought it was my fault but I realised it does not matter if you go long or short the will go the other way and wipe you out !! ….I use to think it can not be a scam because this sort of behaviour should not be allowed its CHEATING . Where are all the regulators . like the FSA and so and so ….these brokers and MM are robbing people in broad daylight !! and legally aswell this is really bad it has destroyed my life .
im really sorry to hear this. MORE PEOPLE NEED TO BE LIKE YOU THOUGH AND COME OUT! I have lost a huge amount also and don’t even want to go on. Such a scam this Forex is. Can you tell more about your experience?
Please see my comment above. I have found methods now by the grace of God that allow me to make a very good profit. Forex is not a scam; but it requires the use of specific tools, skills, methodologies and patience. Since i tend to be stubborn, it took me seven years of trading (often, up to fourteen hours a day) to find that you can, indeed, make money trading with MT4. Even with Plus500!
For me, Forex trading is not a scam if you know what you do and where to go. For me personally I used to trade with FXCM but then a friend of mine told me that he came across a platform named VertexFX trader which have many features that I as a trader will benefit from.
I used a demo account and I loved it and so I had to switch broker for the fact that they don’t provide VertexFX but they told me that they will provide it soon because it saved me hundreds of dollars for features I had to pay for in MT4.
There will be no chance for a fraud because the software I’m using is very transparent so there will be no way my broker can play with anything.
Nice advertorial for the banksters ie VertexFX. Post your spam elsewhere.
So I traded with a few different FX brokers back in the early 2000, FXCM, and others. After watching their charts and seeing the bullshit and my best day was making 5K in the AM, I realized trading the CME was a much more even playing field, at that time they didn’t have such active FX futures liquidity but it got better fast. At least nobody is screwing you on the charts and placing trades. Yes you pay a commision for a trade but that is nothing compared to the pips the FX banks make on the spreads. The downside is the leverage is much less but that might not be so bad. I used Open E Cry to trade the CME FX futures and other futures. They are at least honest. I never understood all the talk about the liquidity of the FX markets compared to the CME. I never had a problem getting fills at the CME except during really slow times like when the US market was over and the Asian market hadn’t started.
The FX brokers are always trading against you. As far as the ECNs I am not familiar with them, I heard of them and they sound reasonable but I am skeptical that they are as pure as is said. If so great, why would anybody trade with the other guys?? Is Oanda a ECN?
John, A system and discipline is crucial as any trader knows, it is difficult with real money but doable. The only reason I can see why one would choose to trade on a FX account is because of ignorance of the CME markets, because of the high leverage from the FX guys or because that’s what someone taught them. Cheers from an ex trader.
After reading all allegations two questions come to mind:
1) Nobody will open a business to gift you money. So, why so many forex brokers pops all day?. Why the retail forextrading was created? To “help people”? أنا لا & # 8217؛ ر أعتقد ذلك.
2) I we believe there are just 5% or less people profiting from forex, they have probably more capital, resouces and mos importantly INFORMATION that the rest of retail traders don’t have.
this looks like an idiot convention, if your IQ is above room temperature, disregard this idiots and their idiotic comments..seriously, I can’t believe such a thread exists..if you can’t make money on forex, that’s ok, most people can’t..on the other hand, I can’t lose money, of the last 150 trades I had only one loser which I closed at a loss of 20 pips, and made approx 30 000 pips on my other trades..yeah, this month..let me say it again, these guys posting here are idiots. Just check what they are saying..hahahaha..LOL.
I’d believe the idiots before I’d believe the liar!
Forex trading online can be a scam for some broker or for the non ECN brokers but for some it is not, this is because some broker broker and market makers are in a hurry to make money.
Hi John, appreciate for your blog and do hope we can be friend. Hereby my points:
1. Not till you meet the Genuine and Integrity broker. You will not say this.
2. I been with this industry since 2018 and making good wealth for myself. Yes i was cheated in the very beginning but ever since the incident, things changed.
3. I no longer working and enjoy my daily life with family and travel since 2018 after consistent result. I am age 32.
4. To understand, i opened 2 off shores company/broker in 2018 and 2018 and interviews >20 fund managers and test them out, Well, pain experiences but i learned a lot. Way a lot.
I suggest, if you want to get wealth from here, start up a small company, you will understand more about Liquidity provider. Talk to them.
Good luck there.
I’m in Singapore and have traded since 2004. Sometimes i did well, even with bucketshops like Pus500 (their ‘platform’ is a child’s toy) and made as much as $5000 net profit a month. But, the devil is in the details. In 2018 i got tired of trading currencies with Pus500 as their platform seemed to be making it very hard for me to profit (I was flattish after a long series of wins). So, i invested $1000 into a gold miner (EVN on the ASX) valued on paper at $200M and later at $600M. I thought it was a fairly good choice, considering the valuation and the fact the company was traded on a major exchange. BUT the devil in this detail was that Pus500 listed this company on their platform as a ‘hot favourite.’ Immediately after my purchase, the share value ($1.40 or so, with a drop of about 40% in the two months prior) began to crumble. After 2 or 3 months, it was about .55. I was liquidated at a $17,000 loss. After which, within sixty days the same EVN. AX went to $.90 and then to $1.10 and eventually (within maybe 6 months) above my entry. I was badly burned by these cucks and i no longer trade with them. Pus500’s ownership under the false Jew ‘Dror Sedor’ (likely an alias) doesn’t make for positive inspiration, either. I have struggled to make a profit with all the brokers i have tried (FXCM before Pus500; Oanda; IQOption (they are not brokers actually; their software is a simulation platform more akin to a videogame) and (in the 2000s) three major Canadian banks (share trading only; FX for retail did not exist). Recently, after about two years with XM and.
$32,000 in losses, i have started to make some profit in FX, realising that my methodology was very poor or nonexistent and that i just did not know what i was doing — especially when it comes to Money Management. Would you be willing to help me with some knowledge about how the MM’s work? I am fairly convinced that the Metatrader platform, if not ALL retail speculation platforms, is designed as a ‘one size fits all’ automated downsizing and account flattening engine, which may also be almost entirely simulated by algos at the bucketshop/MM side. In other words, it is almost impossible to recover profit from such systems (call it ‘overunity energy if you like’) because they have been designed — from the start — to flatten your puny retail FX account as quickly as possible — REGARDLESS OF POSITION SIZE OR ENTRY/EXIT — and, it seems, there is really no possibility of ever making consistent returns from retail FX. I have traded about $300M and soon i plan to quit, though i set up an INC in Singapore to help others trade retail FX ‘with intelligence.’ It just seems that the chances are, really and truly, almost nil. Can you help me at all, to get back to my dream of actually earning a living from fx? It has cost me about $40,000 so far (mainly from Pus500 and XM) which i really would like to recover.
Don’t get involved i have been ripped off by $500000 in several forex platforms and binary platforms the worst being Forex as they get your money in there and you just cannot get it out trading happens behind your back trades get closed off with a loss so far have only found one broker that makes money and jet to be able to get money out.
Keep you money in the bank at least you can get to use it someday.
Sighs, I was gonna trade…… was!
It’s a good thing you have not started. It’s extremely hard bro. I don’t know if the market is manipulated or not; but I know that “consistently profitable” in the long run is extremely difficult to achieve. Even if you trade with a good money management; you’ll end up “dying” slowly. I have been involved in forex for almost 9 years my friend. When I traded the stock market 15 years ago, I never “lose consistently” as much as I had in forex.
ملصق ممتاز! Forex is not a scam took me quite a long time and money to learn but is achievable with time.
So the way i look at it, if two traders open different orders on the eurusd, which way is the market maker going to go. Bear in mind that u cant be ryt both ways. Do your due dilligence and stop whining when u lose cos everyone cant place the same orders and lose at the same instance . جمعية البناء الخيرية.
Your information is to complicated for the average person who knows nothing about trading and binary yrading. You should relay the information that a lay person can understand as we don’t know what your talking about, also it can’t be that all forex traders are legit, come on there are so many scams out there and your generalizing that all forex trading are not scams. I can tell your very educated in your field but I’ve never traded for real only on the testing sites or demo accounts which are few and far between so do us a favor and rewrite your review so we can all understand what your specifically talking about when you use abbreviations…
Thank you your writing is very professional and I gut wish I could understand it all…
Eva Marie – شكرا على ملاحظاتك. I’ve added links to the abbreviations so those who don’t know what they are can find definitions.
Forex is not a scam. It is a real business that requires season of training. It is a fact that success in any venture is not an overnight game but an overtime adventure. Therefore, anyone entering the forex world must appreciate this fact. You will need to learn how to trade and how to trade to earn a living. So, it is a life-long business for serious minded ones.
I have been trading since 2007 and I became a professional and really profitable in 2018.
Which bucketshop broker are you working for? FXCM? PUS500? XM? Oanda? The NFA passed a ruling some few years ago making ALL retail forex accounts under $100,000 USD OTC accounts or, in other words, synthetic trading account (video games). Whilst it may seem incredible that your beloved Russian Mafia-designed Metatrader account could poasibly be virtual ONLY (read: VIDEO GAME) controlled by AI software linked by tunnelling software encrypted algos directly (AND ONLY) to your bucketshop’s server AND that NONE of your “trades” EVER makes it to any bank or bank trading platform AND instead, your “trades” are simply matched to the opposing side in order to flatten the entire trading bucket (and give the corporation acting as principal ie the owner of all profits) and to offset any excess liquidity through offshoring the excess to the bank at the most profitable deal — then you need to seriously look into what you think you know about retail forex. We have all been had — for decades — and “they” are not about to tell you that retail forex trading is fraudulent on its face and 99.6% a scam from the outset (especially if you trade penny stocks on it or trade with leverage above 50%).
Not going to push back much on the MT4 stuff as I know there have been official complaints filed (and ruled on) with respect to unbalanced slippage and the like. I actually have some data and want to have a look at whether MT4 accounts perform differently than non-MT4 ones.
A couple of points, though.
First, retail forex only dates back to about 2000. Hardly decades.
Second, the inter-bank forex market is entirely OTC. So too is the market for government bonds. OTC does not mean synthetic. It just means off-exchange. That doesn’t prelude bucket shop operations, but it does not automatically assume them either.
Your points address nothing of the core points i made; it is 2017 and you are saying ‘retail forex started in the 2000s and that is…hardly decades.’ Well, seventeen years is close enough to two decades, for most people. Second, you don’t say anything of value regarding the actual fact that all Metatrader accounts are de facto synthetic and such accounts are instantly matched by the market maker without any risk exposure (meaning, no trade whatsoever and no account of any retail trader is allowed to ever impact any real currency market, which is controlled exclusively by the London and New York banking houses). I am not a software developer but i opened IQOption one day and found out it appears to be 100% sytnthetic (a video game. Interesting that the Russian Mafia company that created it used to be a Video Game company). Metatrader was created by the Russian Mafia; also known as the Kosher Nostra — do your due diligence. I am sure a competent software developer with no axe to grind nor any interest in forex can prove my assertion in a few hours of code cracking; but the risk to life and longevity is real (and explains why this has ‘never’ been done). I am not a ‘sore loser’ and have lost a lot on fx but have also done well on several occasions. The issue is NOT (and you are implicitly deceptive and manipulative if you continue to imply it is) that “forex is a difficult career choice but with sufficient practice, we can make a living at it.” In fact, making profits in fx is extremely difficult even under optimal conditions and this is because the banks who provide the liquidity have zero interest in risk exposure, and they limit their exposure to the market maker, who ensures 99.4% of retail traders consistently lose money (ask the NFA these are their official stats). What you do not say, and do not say consistently, is that people who wish to trade forex for a living or to make ‘side income’ have no clue that to do so well literally requires a Phd and $75,000 USD (and don’t forget the 6 years to obtain the degree). While i must agree with you that it is possible to make a living in fx what i detest about your site is that you simply leave people in the dark about the difficulties. But i am soon going to change that (dv).
بول & # 8211؛ Quite to the contrary. The report you can see on this site is ALL about how difficult it is to be profitable in forex (and in trading more broadly, really) and the reality of the “90%+ fail” commentary out there. It has real data.
I also created an “about retail forex” paper which speaks to the structural issues you bring up (https://papers. ssrn/sol3/papers. cfm? abstract_id=2753823).
I appreciate your transparency and will not only read your paper; i will check all the material out on your site.
The greatest impediment to profitability in retail forex for the average novice who participates is the lack of transparency of the process and the brokers themselves. The NFA has estimated (and i know you know this) the average retail forex trader loses both his shirt; underpants; and even more (to the tune of $16,000 USD) before quitting in disgust. I have burned through about four times that — and i readily admit that in the first six or so years (out of perhaps 10) trading retail fx part time (i work full time as a Tech Writer) i knew nothing and it showed — big time.
In July 2018 i traded a $5000 net profit on a Pus500 account (quite an accomplishment, actually, since their platform is similar to the ones that use children’s crayons and an Etch-A-Sketch) but, unfortunately, i sequed into a $17,000 loss on their platform (because i got temporarily bored trading the currencies) when i purchased EVN (Evolution Mining), a company they obviously fronted and were the front-runner for (together with their backers) and which they promoted on their platform. EVN was a pump-and-dump and it swan-dived immediately after my purchase, ‘recovering’ six months later to a high of close to $3 (i bought in at about $1.30 after an already dizzy 60% plummet). Needless to say, i have abandoned Puss500 and wish to litigate if enough people will support.
I mentioned the above, primarily to illustrate that i was able to earn a net profit of $5000 in one month even on a bucketshop like Pus500 (my capital was about $5000 also or less). The same year i switched to XM and saw about a 20,000 Euro loss over the past two years. But, on several occasions, i was able to turn a very nominal sum into something (for example, 100 Euros became 870 Euros within about a month); but i used ‘secret’ or ‘unfair’ tactics to do this.
My experience with retail fx is normal and par for the course; but, sadly, there are hundreds of millions of people (hundreds of thousands weekly, i suspect) who lose as much or more as me each year; nobody is concerned about what this will do to those people, nor to society at large.
John, you are an academic and i guess this will not be pleasant to hear; you teach at a university and you teach about trading (among other things). How do academics gain credibility, since most people will not believe you (unless, perhaps, you were a SUCCESSFUL retail fx trader prior to your academic role)? I face the same problem, since i wish to educate people about the perils of retail fx.
Second, i will read your paper as i said; but i do not for one moment believe it will contain anything uniquely specific to retail fx profitability. Banks’ use of dark pools is deliberate; the fact that there is little to no reliable training or data on how the retail fx ‘industry’ (mafia syndicate) actually operates is similarly deliberate.
The retail fx industry as a whole will never change to the betterment of the average retail fx trader until it becomes transparent; and that is never going to happen while the banks control creation of credit and fiat money; there is too much at stake.
However, some of us may be able to help change this situation, by teaching people how to avoid making stupid mistakes and mismanaging a trading account (retail fx or otherwise).
The price interference you mention is interesting.. quite a few times I start EA’s (my coding) running and as soon as I start them….. I even have a pair of EA’s I run which effectively oppose each other just to test onTick signals… price and indicator signals turn chaotic.
I have even had price run down the centre of a 10 pip channel in a + and – hedge. I have remonstrated this with the broker over the phone and they just use the classic out of jail free card…. it’s the LP’s……
Ahhhhh. I am pretty sure that cTrader (spotware) is a Russian software company as well….. could be Eastern European (check) which could mean a jump from the frying pan into the fire…. It also “updates” automatically every month or so………
بول & # 8211؛ You’re making assumptions. If you haven’t, you should read my bio. I have a PhD – which I only pursued after many years of being in the markets – but I am NOT a professor. Maybe one day I will become one, but at this point I am not one, nor have I ever been one.
أنت & # 8217؛ الحق في. Retail trader profitability issues are not just a forex market thing. I’ve seen research about how much stock market day traders lose. But while I definitely agree that there is manipulation in the markets – and it doesn’t just impact retail traders (see the LIBOR and gold fixing scandals) – I think there are bigger issues than that underlying the vast majority of trader losses. A longer discussion is warranted, but two of the bigger things I see as leading to trader failure is a lack of understanding/education about the basic requirements of successful trading and behavioral biases which lead to less than optimal (read “stupid”) decision-making.
I have been trading shares on the ASX for over 10 years with reasonable success, so indicators, charts and trading strategies were already in place…..so I thought.
Started “demoing” Forex platforms back in Sept 2018.. 3 mths later still struggling to make a profit (micro account). Like Aaron further up the thread even when I entered into technically good trades price would reverse within 1 – 7 pips just about every time so I can believe his 89% loss ratio, you cannot be that wrong when placing a Buy or Sell…. Or I would be stopped out no matter what the distance of the SL (often by 0.00001 of a cent) only for the price to reverse and continue on its trend….WTF.
Even when using smaller positions and larger stops… The losses would always be triple the profits, the stress involved in trying to be consistent has left me shattered… I haven’t been financially damaged by the process but feel for those that have… People that cannot afford to are losing big money to Forex…
I don’t doubt that people are making a profit from it… but single digit percentages far more experienced or intelligent than you or I…..
I could lose a 100 pips per day without even trying…. so if you are thinking it is easy money think again… do not get involved in Forex… do something more constructive with your money and your time.
So, you want to become George Soros in 3 months! It took some of us 2 years to master the art of forex trading and it could take more than that depending on your commitment and passion.
What bucketshop is paying you in Kenya to make such a ridiculous comment? If you are honest, you will post some actual proof on the internet to support your assertion (live accounts only please).
I have to agree: share trading was far more successful for me though i burned through about $65,000. What did i learn: stick with your best picks and hold for a minimum of five years. Had i done this, i would have probably $120,000 net profit. So i turned to fx. Twelve years later and still struggling to make a stable profit. Here’s the breakdown: FXCM in the uk, about £7500 loss due to numerous “unexplained spikes” 2004-2007. Moved to Pus500 and, at one time, was bringing in $5000 a month on a $12,000 account. Got better at managing their TinkerToy platform and was doing well, only to segue into a single trade of 17,000 shares of gold miner EVN (currently traded on AXS and supposedly worth more than $1 billion. When i started with it, on paper it was worth $200M and i paid about $1.20 for it. It was “recommended” by Pus500) which cratered right after i bought it (it was already down 40% and i thought it was cheap) and over 2 months it “fell” to less than 50 cents. At $17,000 loss this has been my largest single account loss and i now detest these lying shysters at Pus500, who obviously pumped and dumped me. The shares rapidly rose once Pus500 margined me out, eventually going above my entry just 3 months later. Gave up on Pus500 and moved to Oanda in 2018. Oanda by law has to offer 50% leverage or less so i have had much better success with them; but almost impossible to retain consistent profit since, like all retail bucketshops, Oanda hedges against all accounts, siphons off all profits first; then sells any excess overhead to their liquidity provider (read: all retail forex accounts at all retail fx “brokers” today are not true trading accounts. According to the NFA ruling a few years ago, all retail FX is now virtual and synthetic trading. Your “trades” never go to any bank instead you trade ONLY against other retail shmucks or Oanda) so…forget about making much profit. Still with Oanda but have seen some loss due to the manipulation of gold vs usd and eurusd in the DOUBLE DIGITS percentage wise…unprecedented manipulation)…not holding out any hope for this bastard broker either. I also tried “binary options” which are entirely a video game (literally, actually) with IQOption, spending about (at €1 per trade) €100 to make 1100 trades. Could make profit but almost impossible to retain it. Finally, moved to XM…worst choice i ever made. Currently nursing a €20,000 loss on this account, as XM are professional thieves. While i would not say fx is a total scam, as i have been able to make significant profits even with XM (in June this year for example, i made €540 profit on a €300 account) my conviction is that no indicators will help when your account is traded against by the shyster who has sold all your accounts to their liquidity provider and trades as YOU against your own fucking account!! (READ the T&C! All “brokers” act AS PRINCIPAL meaning they automatically trade AGAINST you), since their PRINCIPAL GOAL is to flatten all risk and hence, NEVER allow (especially by the use of their automated algos) ANY “risk” (your profits) to leak away into your account.
Hi Paul, that’s some serious money changing hands. I had a similar “spike” issue with IG Markets, I started running 3-4 broker platforms against each other just to compare charts… some aren’t even close.
I have been making a profit ( pay attention Oyewole ) with a $1000 live account and the cTrader platform. Scalping the market, $2.00 per PIP either using the CCI indicator -200 / +200 reversal or by trading an EMA 10 – 15 & # 8211؛ 50 strategy on trends. Its the hard way to do it but it makes between $300 – $350 a week. I intend to increase the positions as I get more consistency. I trade the principal the less time you are exposed to the market the less time it has to turn against you.
But like you I am very sceptical of the FX Market. Notice that most successful traders rattle on about indicator free price action. IMO the reason is that the big players steer the indicators to dupe the newbie and retail traders to generate liquidity by smashing stops and trading against the charts. So many of the Banks of late are getting busted for sharing charts, customer information and as you say trading against their own clients.
My partner has worked for a major Bank for over 30 years and the public has no idea of the reach of the financial institutions… paid blogs, forum contributors, social media programs…..
Very refreshing to read your comment: i wish i had seen it earlier. I have improved somewhat but, contrary to your point, i do use indicators. What is very disappointing, however, is that one very trustworthy indicator i was using for about a year (as with so many others — i have tried perhaps 100) which was giving good signals for trading has now officially become useless on the longer timeframes (Daily; H1; H4 etc) when, for more than a year, it was good for them. I notice that Metatrader updated the platform in the background (wonder why they do NOT provide the option to prevent this?) a few days ago. It is clear to me, at least, that XM and Oanda and any Metatrader broker not only trade against their clients; they rely on the software vendor to provide a custom solution that efficiently liquidates clients in a manner that makes them supremely profitable (hence the need to break every single indicator a client uses).
Why do i say this? Well, there are many instances where i see that while adjusting an indicator, the price action becomes ‘unstable.’ It is my contention that MT4 is a true virtual platform and when you connect your MT4 terminal to the MM’s terminal, the broker (and any lackies they have hired at $2 an hour in India or Nepal or China) can not only see your positions; they can trade directly and instantly against them; and they can offset risk from viable indicators by warping the price feed (intermittently screwing with the data feed for example, so an indicator cannot get a true price price history or pattern match), interrupting the dll which an indicator specifically uses to achieve successful signals (this explains why, in any update, MT4 actually collects the hardware and software information which is visible in the Journal…it could be innocuous but, is it?) and by using exploits or plugins to simply weaken your positions over time. Anyway, i greatly value your post and will consider dumping Metatrader and using cTrader.
I just wish i could short the companies using it; and Metatrader itself, until they all collapse — something i have had some success in previously (that’s another story). And i thought IG Markets were ‘squeaky clean’ (but their platform looks buggy).
نقطة اتخذت. I had a brief look at cTrader. There are some unsettling posts about manipulated price feeds in several posts i have read on Forex Factory and in other places. I have no interest in jumping from the frying pan into Hell.
Please can you clarify the following statement:
entheos Sep 4, 2018 5:53pm | Post# 728.
FXPro=Russian mafia money laundering operation with a hatred for Americans. Its ok, though. The feeling is mutual.
I did trade with fxpro over 7 years.(now i`m not.)
they was established with russian money.
the start of their business was market maker.
their first target was south korea.
for the first time in brokers,
they did support korean language to attract korean.
many people lost a lot of money by their con.
many people`s live were ruined ultimately by their con.
Is it true, according to the above post, that cTrader, as MT was financed with Russian money from the outset? Why then, should i believe it is not Khazarian, serving Molech; or controlled by the Synagogue of Satan, like MT4 is?
Really Andrew…… Not sure what you need me to clarify……
I’m not with FXPro as I had heard about them prior to opening an account. I use Pepperstone and IC Markets (Both Aust.) and you can use either cTrader or MT4 – 5.
I definitely notice price instability once you open a position or start an EA. At times the price turns itself inside out trying not to allow a profit.
I am as dubious of the FX market as you are and have been watching and posting on various FX forums and I’m pretty sure some are industry “operated” through and through….
Paul, If you are comfortable with it I am happy for John to pass on my email details to you……
John, it seems to me that a large part of the problem is due to a fundamental misunderstanding of the spot forex market. Speculation is taking place in the same arena that corporate, small business, vacationers, and banks are conducting regular not for profit activity like exchanging currencies for practical purposes. Retail trading for profit makes up about 18% of the total volume amount of transactions per day. Of the remaining 82%, approximately 60% are brokers transacting and exchanging currency rates. We retail traders are small peanuts in the overall picture of all the commerce taking place. I would also contend that most technical analysis suited for stocks, commodities, and futures do not hold up well in the spot currency markets because they are auction based, and not complete markets like gold, or crude, or Apple, IBM, etc.. Traditional TA was designed for the above markets, not for spot forex. When one takes a look at EURUSD, all you are seeing is the exchange rate between those 2 currency pairs. You are not seeing a complete market like gold that shows everything on the chart built into the price action. We as retail forex traders need to continue our education in how and why spot forex really moves . . .
You are obviously fairly ignorant about the main issue with ‘retail FX trading’ and that is: all retail forex ‘brokers’ do not ever send the small ‘trades’ to the bank; they don’t bother to package them — because it costs too much — instead, they tweak the accounts of retail traders using automated robots, algos and the Metatrader platform (or their own platform) itself to ‘flatten’ the transactions. I read this on a forum once a few years ago and i now understand (more fully after 13 years of trading) what it means. Flattening means the hedge that the broker has with their own currencies in a ‘dark pool’ are automatically hedged against every ‘trade’ (which is not really a trade; it uses real money but virtual currency and virtual trades) a retail ‘novice’ enters. The automated hedging offsets — in real time and to the picosecond — all real monies in the BUCKET. What that means is that, no matter what direction you enter; what position you take; or what money management or indicators you care to use, the broker is almost certainly going to win — after all, they literally have infinite leverage. I hope you understand what i am saying. I am NOT saying that it is impossible to recover monies from the average FX broker like XM or Oanda, even using high leverage. In one instance last July, I had 300 Euros in my account and traded it up to 740 Euros; a 470 Euro profit. And yes, I banked the profit. But, when i went back in, and did the SAME thing, i lost the account. AI software is now highly sophisticated and learns in real time; coupled with algos developed by banks and shared with brokers (at a modest fee) that optimise the liquidation of your funds, it is now almost impossible to make consistent returns from trading retail forex. This is assuming, of course, that you are not dealing with ‘binary options’ frauds like IQOption, whose platform itself is actually a CGI graphic (no trades whatsoever — their original platform before was a video game). إذهب واستنتج.
you can open as many demo accounts as you wish since there are so many companies to open them with.
why would anybody open a live account and lose money without first being successful with the demo account.
if you are not winning with the demo account what makes you think that you will win with a live account.
and if market maker and brokers make you lose in your live account.
they don’t let you win in your demo account to lure you in.
trading has a lot to learn, 1) you have to master the trading platform you are using, 2) you have to be well informed of the currencies you are trading.
3) finding an honest broker is no easy task.
I joined a signal service a few months ago after researching and winning more than I was losing in a demo account. There were about thirty other people in a trading room and the teacher basically talked about what trades looked good and which were iffy.
I have to agree with others, it is basically a casino. I won pretty consistently on my demo, but the minute I moved to real money I lost. One thing I haven’t seen mentioned here, it is pretty well known that a big reason 95% of people lose money on the Forex is because even if they win a higher percentage of trades than they lose, they lose more money on the losing trades than they make on the winners. So even thought they can say they are up ten trades, they may have barely broken even or lost money.
I had a few good days and made a bit, but on other days the market totally went against the indicators and the room would be aghast with, what just happened, wow, etc. Because there really is no ryhme or reason to it…..I traded without the signal service a few times and just followed trends, and my percentage of losses to wins was similar.
One big thing they talked about was how Warren Buffet made a billion in the Forex, and I kept thinking…Buffet is a multibillionaire, can you all not see how he might have some inside info that helped him know the trends? That speaks to the idea of it being rigged, and I think there is definitely an element of that, probably more in the larger trading area.
There were a few people in that room who bragged about making fifty grand a week, but there was no proof of it…it literally felt like there was one guy with multiple screen names just talking to himself and acting like he was all these successful traders, it was odd. And you would have people there talking about how great the system was and they had been doing it for a year, but come to find out that they were either on demo or trading ten cents a trade. And that is the rub…once you start trading with real money on the line, the system you have learned becomes a hundred times more difficult, and you start losing.
And when you think about it…if someone actually did create a signal that is winning 80% of the time, why charge users a big fee weekly to use it when they are already risking money, when the creator of the signal obviously could be a millionaire trading the signal within a short time?
I do believe there are people who make profits and possibly even a living building from very small and making small profits here and there, saving and just doing that for years, because if you have nerves of steel and only trade with the momentum using small trades, you can make a profit. But as far as making alot of money, even within a couple of years, it seems like it would be a better and easier gamble to learn how to play blackjack really well and go make a few hundred nightly at a casino nightly.
جمعية البناء الخيرية. The risk far outweighs the reward IMO. Unless you have a good sized bankroll and patience like a monk and nerves of steel, incest somewhere else. Because even those things don’t mean success.
“It seems like it would be a better and easier gamble to learn how to play blackjack really well and go make a few hundred nightly at a casino nightly”.
Same though has crossed my mind…………many times. 🙂
الفوركس ليس عملية احتيال، ولكن هناك الكثير من الحيل المرتبطة الفوركس. الحيل هي مشكلة كبيرة يواجهها الجميع في صناعة الفوركس. تداول العملات الأجنبية هو عمل حقيقي يمكن أن يكون مربحا، ولكن يجب أن يعامل على هذا النحو. People choosing forex because they can easily earn their living costs from this market place.
Ok…. so by the looks of things, Forex looks like a scam based on the amount of people, who are reporting to have been scammed.
I would also like to read now the other side of the story and learn of anyone who is actual making a profit. For the record I have been trading for two year and am still learning so I’m not taking anyone’s side but carrying out research.
It’s hard to say, Bill. I’ve never met a real forex trader. Only heard one of my acquaintance mentioned about a kid that managed to trade from micro to mini, and finally to standard account. If what he was saying is true, then maybe forex is not a scam. But if it’s not, then (sigh…)
Not a Scam. then maybe John can explain how earlier this year FXCM (One of the biggest and still a Babypips Site sponsor…) was busted playing the market and deregulated in the US for actually having a controlling interest in the Liquidity Provider to their retail business…. a massive conflict of interest. While all the while claiming that they where true ECN and not a Dealing Desk….. Scam 101 right there..
If one of the major players is doing this, you can be certain that other Brokers are using this Business Model and are yet to be caught.
Let’s just say I’ve never had a good vibe about FXCM and was not particularly surprised. Back in the day, before the NFA shut down “hedge” accounting in US accounts, I saw FXCM promoting “hedge” الاستراتيجيات. Not illegal, but certainly ethically shady.
Between 2004-2007 (ten to thirteen years ago) i had an FXCM account in the UK and lost at least 7,500 pounds using it, primarily due to my ignorance about trading methodology and (but perhaps just as important) due to numerous order requotes and, worse, ‘spikes’ which either caused a large loss, or a margin call. As far as i am concerned, FXCM is a shyster mafia broker and is not to be trusted whatsoever. Others like XM are not much better but, with significant methodological changes and appropriate money management (and more important, the use of valuable indicators that actually work), i have seen some profits this year and held my account for more than 14 months without blowing it up. & # 8230؛ I would not say retail forex is 100% scam; but the truth is that the average novice retail forex speculator has NO clue whatsoever what he or she is doing when it comes to trying to trade profitably; and (more importantly) they have utterly no idea the level of opaqueness there is in platforms like Metatrader (nor the fact that it was designed by Russian and/or East European developers) nor do they have an utter clue about the ACTUAL LEVEL OF RISK they are exposing themselves to, when using custom-designed software which operates as principal against them from the outset until it efficiently liquidates the account.
You are trading Fiat Values that simply don not exist at all.
Your opponents are Bank licensed professional scamers, wich have the license from who? The Kosher Nostra, that gives them all rights, but for you a Taxregulating gouvernmental ruler. That`S PRIVACY isn`t it?
You can try to buy some of there stocks, of course. The only ones who rise and kill are allways sold and owned by them anyway.
That will give you your jobs, while you will never be allowed to invest on your own in something usefully.
Is that scam enough?
Forex is Like A Rubick’s Cube .. Some Can Solve IT Some Cannot .. Its Nt Fr Everyone Bt All IT Takes is Time .. Dedication and Passion And the ‘Secret ‘ to’ Crack the Code ‘ ..
I would suggest dt if U Want to Trade Forex Do Not Rush Into Trading Real Money Soon ..Study Well the Demo and Start with Little Amounts As Possible .. Forex is Not A Get Rich Quick Stratergy ..Knowing When to Enter & Exit the Trend is More of A ‘Skill dan Science .. Theoretical Background Helps too .. The Rest is StratergisinG & .. Intuition.
I have written here before (Paul or Elbonias or Armando) and i cannot agree with you. The average retail trader is *never* made aware of the level of risk that they are exposing themselves to, when they deposit money with any ‘forex broker’ this includes XM, Oanda, FXCM (a known scammer) and anyone else. If you think brokers registered in the Cayman’s or Belize or Seychelles or London or Singapore or Toronto are legitimate, especially if they are bank-based, you will lose your account and your life savings to them. The simple reason is: all retail forex trading is either synthetic or nominally so; the millisecond your ‘trade’ is registered, the software algo that is driving the platform, hedges your currency pair (both the deposit currency and whatever pair you choose to ‘trade’) against another unfortunate retail speculator in the broker’s dark capital pool bucket, exactly and to the millionth of a cent. This means, in effect, the broker (the middleman acting as ‘principal’ meaning they trade directly against all and every client that is ignorant enough to open an account with them and deposit *any* funds) hedges you out from the start, and efficiently erases your position from the face of the Earth. While it may take seconds, minutes, weeks or even months, after twenty thousand hours of trading and seeing both great success and abject failure (especially with XM and Oanda, through whom i have lost a cumulative $44,000 or so) you can be certain your account will be margined to nothing or negative. Banksters and those who suck their privates are not in the business of providing you ‘participation’ without great cost; after all, they serve their master, Satan, well. To summarise: because there is no real transparency at all as to the level of risk you are getting into, retail forex on its face, as it is today, is a total scam and will remain so (this includes binary options, which are even WORSE) for the duration. Until we collectively refuse to participate in this scam, you and i will always see our lives and livelihoods go to ruin, chasing an impossible reality. Do *NOT* listen to the liars and deceivers who post here and contradict what i say. IF they are honest, then *MAKE THEM* post the methods they used to consistently recover profits trading Metatrader (the software most retail traders use today; and they make up 20% or more of the $billions traded in retail fx every day) and, make them post their true financial picture and not lies.
Paul, I like your very convincing arguments against forex trading. I have been trying it since 2008 when AUD broke parity with USD and then came crashing down: I got the trading bug with CMC Markets making $4000 into $32000 in 4.5 days with CFDs, then losing the account in a matter of 2 hours (I was way over-leveraged on sell AUDUSD!). Since then I have accumulated running losses exceeding AUD$300,000.
But taking a macro picture of the situation, how can forex trading be a scam when you look at all brokers, all news sites, even money exchanges on the street, and you can for example see a trend of EURUSD’s nosedive over 2018? If you decided to travel during this time you would also experience the devaluation of your EURs against the USD. Or if you made some international purchases you would also see a similar correlation.
Perhaps the small trading is as you say, but certainly the big picture cannot be manipulated against the one individual on a longer term.
I agree that the macro picture is a real picture. But i don’t want to let my agreement cloud my conviction that, on the retail level (and this is where 30% of retail currency trades actually takes place, according to the NFA), we are being stolen from and ruined through an opaque, evil industry that is arrayed against us, shows no mercy, takes no prisoners; and is Satanic in its design and greed for theft.
First off, thank you for being so open with your P & L statement! I cannot imagine how you feel. My circumstances are such that over 13 years (not including shares), i have given XM 23,000 Euros, FXCM about $15,000; Pus500 about $10,000 (with $17,000 lost in a pump and dump share issue they clearly floated) and Oanda about $4000. It is not $300K but it is very significant and, while i was terribly ignorant and foolish in the first few years, I firmly believe that i have significantly improved (no account loss for more than a year; learning how to properly hedge when necessary; money management that prevents the broker stealing your account; and other steps) and that, over time, i can recover all losses. In FXCM’s case, however, i am considering legal action because they have been slammed by the US authorities for direct manipulation of client accounts and outright fraud and theft.
To summarise my response to you (and all retail traders), for years i have battled with the psyop of retail forex trading. I believed that it was not possible for a price chart, especially a Metaquotes / Metatrader one, to ‘manipulate’ the end user. After all, as you say, there is a real currency market and there are real currency trades taking place in the hundreds of millions every day, internationally, 24/7. However, does that mean that price action cannot be manipulated? I was so convinced that it was ‘impossible’ to move the retail fx market; and that i was the one at fault (and forexpeacearmy and other popular fx forums don’t help with this, as they are all paid by the fraudulent brokers to lie through their teeth to retail traders and would-be traders), that it took more than a decade to unwind the illusion; to understand the lie that is retail forex; and to come to terms with the fact that, even if i never get my funds back, i know these cunts will face an agonisingly painful, unending punishment, at the end of their days.
Perhaps i should start with my background, which informed my opinion and allowed me to begin walking away from the misery which i had become enmeshed in (particularly, being unable to stop trading, even when i knew the account was already finished).
My background is software documentation (25+ years). While i am not a programmer, i have seen enough code to understand that almost anything that exists in the ‘real’ world of the five senses can be created artificially by software; in a virtual reality. My experience extends to four continents and several employers, including in China. While i was trading (four market making brokers, including Pus500; FXCM the known and dirty-fingered fraudster; XM (soon to be caught); and Oanda (also, hopefully, soon to follow Alpari), i also was having to research with extensively painful brain-expanding tools (most of which i had never used before) banking, healthcare, exotic and telecoms software applications and databases. I have only recently begun to realise, however, that Metatrader is nothing more than a sophisticated piece of software code and a well-designed database, acting as a client-server that can function most likely as a WAN.
Because of my software background, i have no doubt that staff at the brokerages can, and do, slot all or almost all retail traders into ‘Book B’ and not ‘Book A’ accounts, from the outset. B-Book accounts are accounts which the software algos the brokers use determines are to be ‘losing money’ for the duration of the account. Whether this is true for you, as an individual retail trader; whether it is lawful, legal (there is a distinct difference), fair or otherwise is immaterial. Once you are assigned to a B-book environment, your chance of actually recovering a profit is negligible. Not nil; but negligible.
I have not actually worked (yet?) for any broker and i hesitate to try and do so, because i feel once i did that, nobody would trust me. But, perhaps by working for XM or even as an affiliate, it might only then become crystal just exactly how the software works to most efficiently liquidate clients. My theory as to how the software works is not that complicated or elegant (to be documented in more detail in my book, True Forex Lies soon to be released on flat-earth-forex); but it does not need to be. In simple terms, Metatrader is a client-server software and when we sign up, we create a terminal version of the software platform on our computer. Like all distributed computing environments, Metatrader on the server side is rigidly protected against penetration to the server and its core price feed. Of course, the prices themselves for currency pairs do not at all have to come from a bank liquidity provider; they can easily come from a third party, such as Leverate, who provide UFX’s quotes) or Thompson Reuters, the largest provider of quotes).
To scam retail traders (anyone ignorant enough to deposit money into an offshore bank account controlled by a foreign corporation), one would only need to control the actions of their terminal; which would act as what was known in the 70s and 80s as a ‘dumb terminal.’ In other words, the market maker, having slotted you or myself into a B-Book account and its platform variables, functions, algorithms and account pilferage routines, only need to ensure that no actual transactions are made on your terminal, which allow credits to you (and debits to them) to leak out. Instead, they only need to take your B-book transactions, package or aggregate them together with all other B-book account transactions of all other speculators whom they have (convinced or duped, directly or indirectly) to hedge all players against one another.
For example, i am long EURUSD and 56% of retail speculators, who have been unfortunate enough to freely give their earnings to this particular shyster broker, are also. What the broker does (let’s call the broker Chuthl another name for the demon god who eats babies) is instantly match, on order placement, all of my EURUSD tickets with someone else who is short EURUSD, by exactly the same amount and at the identical price. With today’s software (and even going back ten years and more), this is easily possible, even with 10,000 players. Nothing ‘needs’ to be done in ‘real time’ except the ‘notification of order placement’ and the screen printing of that fact; the rest of the action can take place behind the scenes, even a few minutes later (this explains why there is a lot of ‘static’ and your data pipe becomes ‘choked’ during fake news announcements).
So, once your order, my order, and 9998 other BUY EURUSD orders are hedged against 9998 other SELL EURUSD orders, can you see how, without any cost to themselves except for the server, the monthly account servicing fee the broker pays to its quote provider, hardware and system (Metaquotes) suppliers, the actual daily cost to the broker could be in the tens of cents (or less) per client account? At the end of each day, all the broker needs to do is ‘mop up’ excess leverage and keep it under a certain percentage; accounts that present any real risk to this level (say, the excess is 2% of $50,000,000 or $1 million, after hedging everyone to flatten their account.
I did not learn about the ‘flattening’ of accounts because of any great wisdom: i found a comment, some years ago, by an ‘ex banker’ on forex factory. If the ‘excess liquidity’ required to flatten all client accounts amounts to (on average) $1 million a day, this does not actually present any real problem for a shyster market maker, because:
1. Commission alone on 10,000 retail client accounts can easily add up to a significant fraction of this;
2. Spread can be widened by 0.5 or 1 or more pips, on *certain* currency pairs, only throughout the day (especially in advance of ‘fake news’ or, at ‘odd’ hours such as 4 am) in order to generate a good chunk of the required amount;
3. Spikes (artificial prices that are ‘miles away’ from the ‘true market price feed’ (only testable by a few individuals who register as ‘professional traders’ and/or have access to actual bank feeds and/or CME accounts, which show mostly ‘real’ currency and commodity prices) can be inserted on *certain* currency pairs only, in order to liquidate a certain percentage of retail B-book clients. This can, with certain brokers, add up to many millions of dollars in a single month. With FXCM for example (a broker who spiked me numerous times), their ‘arms-length’ liquidity provider had a contract with them to steal $90,000,000 monthly;
4. Server ‘outages’ which are always explained by the shyster market maker as being ‘your computer or connection’ even though you a) live in Japan, where everyone has 100 Mbit connections; b) own a Penta Core Elgydium server running Unix, which has twenty cores, the military encryption and RAID; and multi-tunneling, multi-threading CPUs, that costs you $2000 monthly for service and maintenance);
5. Fake price quotes, slippage, stale prices, fake ticks, fake candles, order delays causing large multi-second slippages and numerous cheats and other cripplewares, used to exploit your client connection (generated through the well-known ‘Metaquotes Plugin’ and other plugins available to shyster brokers and documented online),
6. Outright pilferage and theft from your account, through ‘after the fact’ account revisions (price changes which reduce or eliminate your profit because you were in profit at all), and even timeclock adjustments (i have seen this on my own machine in the last few months only; where my computer clock actually slows down or speeds up relative to the server clock. With today’s computers that do not depend on battery backup for the CPU RTC, this types of activity is obviously initiated on the server side (since no other applications report clock variance with their servers).
There is a lot more to be said and i will be saying it (and a lot more) in my new book.
I really hope you will buy the book (working to finish it and release it online later in the year), as i think it has significant data in it which a) will permanently compromise many if not most Metatrader and other brokers, who have defrauded and financially raped and pillaged from us for so long; and b) greatly assist the retail trader in recovering lost accounts, recovering lost monies, and (or) at least, significantly improving his or her win rate, reducing drawdowns, eliminating shyster broker ‘surprises;’ and preserving capital and even improving the balance. But, if not, you can probably gain a lot from the info i will be releasing online, in the next few months!
Hope the above helps!
*that should be $90,000,000 (90 million) annually. I hope that FXCM is forced to pay back five times what they stole; and every staff member (especially the senior ones and founders) publically whipped and showered with honey, followed by five gallons of fire ants – & # 8211؛ each.
I have enjoyed the great contributions on this thread ! ومع ذلك & # 8211؛ I think there is possibility a chance (no matter how minute) that a trader with an edge (a system that has positive expectation over the long term) WILL BE profitable? For instance, take a look at GBPJPY for this week. Hindsight papaer trading shows that a good system would have made at least 200 Pips due to the wild swings of that pair this week. If our trading systems are unable to tell us (in advance of course, not in hindsight) the points of trend reversal – how is the Broker responsible for that? I have traded since 2008 and have lost over 40,000 USD on FX (not counting opportunity cost of other ways in which I could have spent the countless hours invested into fX trading), so I have a stake in the conspiracy theory view. At the same time something tells me that there are a few guys around the globe, making very good returns (eg over 50% gain monthly) on their accounts – based on flair, voodoo, sophisticated software or whatever. For obvious reasons, they probably are in the silent minority?
& # 8230؛ My views were radically altered after reading the book “Way Of The Turtle” by Curtis Faith. The experiment described in that book shows that even when a profitable trading system is made available and taught to individual traders, the results obtained is likely to be very divergent – some traders will always lose no matter what you do, while some will win.
Lastly, I think we should adopt ideas from the “80-20 Rule” A book written by a great author whose name escapes me now. In all fields of human endeavour, only a few make the most revenues while majority just get by. Think of Michael Jackson vs millions of other talented musicians who never made it to the limelight. Think of Mike Tyson vs hundreds (thousands) of other boxers sweating it out in the gym without a break. Think of great soccer talents all over the ghettos of the world dreaming of playing alongside Neymar (don’t think of what the guy earns per week – you won’t be able to trade Fx anymore :-). The bitter truth is this: FX trading is an unforgiving business. To be successful, your trading prowess has to be at rockstar level or at least not too far behind. In the English soccer league, average performers still make it – in FX, average performers lose their shirt. Only the rock stars smile to the bank. So – given the huge odds against success, why do the mob seem to rush into FX?
I don’t necessarily think Forex is a scam, maybe some brokers are dishonest but to move against one position to squeeze out retail traders going long would naturally favour those going short and vice-versa so unless brokers feed different data to different traders (unlikely) I don’t see how that could happen.
I’m new relatively new, so hardly qualified but for in my experience the reason the forex market works against me is the fluctuations cause a catch 22 where, if you set your stop losses too low, you’ll lose too many good positions as it trips your stop loss then bounces to where your take profit would’ve been set, but if you set your stop loses wide enough to cover the large tails, when you do get it wrong you’ll wipe out your last couple of good trades… This does give the feel the market is working against you and no book can give you the answers to overcome these issues above hands on experience.
I absolutely believe the majority of people who write books and host courses implying they have information, systems are complete scams.
Having read a number of books now on forex strategies etc, the majority of the books are fluff and common sense with very little insight.
Many mention the psychological traps, loss aversion, risks involved etc which may seem profound at first read but it’s really nothing most people know already.
I would wager that most people who write these books, while most likely have all the qualifications and credentials (on the surface) are very average traders themselves which is why they write books and teach courses..
As the adage goes, those that can do; those that can’t teach (Or write books about it).